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Gods nature

BobRyan

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what does it mean when a saint is talking about the nature of God?

does anyone have any quotes from any saint that speaks about such?

After the death of the saint - or before??
 
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God's nature can be also called his perfections, or essence. What is meant when we speak of the nature or essence of God? The idea of His essence can be broken down into two parts. There is His normal nature, and then His real nature.

Example in gold, normal nature consists of the idea that this precious metal gold has a special $ value, plus a wonderful golden natural beauty.

Then there is gold's real nature. This would be the constitution of its atomic structure on which its properties depend. This information is not known to the average person who owns gold, yet, they accepted the idea of gold's normal essence, which is its' value, and natural beauty.

Now we have some knowledge of the normal nature of God, but not much concerning His real nature. Do the Scriptures give us any understanding of God's normal essence?

1. This through the creation itself! First through the creations natural beauty, secondly through its complex interwoven infrastructure.

2. Through our conscience, we being able to distinguish right from wrong, good from evil, the feeling and emotion of guilt, and when we ask questions concerning a Supreme Being.

3. We have been given a glimpse of God nature through the Bible.

4. And most importantly, through the physical presence of Jesus.

1 Tim.3:16, K.J.B. "God manifest in the flesh."

Our Creator descended from heaven, took upon Himself the form of a man, lived a spotless life, and brought to all men a message of hope. Hope linked as a chain to our believing in His work, His word, and our faith, united together in eternal salvation. These things inform, and give to us a glimpse of God's normal essence.

But we lack any real understanding of God's spiritual makeup? What is His form? His true beauty; His full glory; His real power.

Moses spoke to God through a cloud, and his face began to radiate. Isaiah was terrified when he saw the Lord Jesus sitting on the throne of heaven. Also when he was confronted by God, he was humbled by his sinful condition, saying,

Isa. 6:5, "Woe is me! for I am undone = (destroyed); because I am a man of unclean lips = (defiled), for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of Hosts."

When John saw Jesus in all His glory, Rev.1:17, he, "Fell at His feet as dead."

Ez.1:28, Dan.8:17, Ezekiel, and Daniel heard the voice of God, they both, "Fell upon (their) faces."

Jesus said in John 17:3, "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee = (the Father) the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent," life eternal lies in the knowledge, and worship of the Lord Jesus, this to the glory of the Father.

Hope this helps,

Phil LaSpino
 
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After the death of the saint - or before??

what do you mean by that? any saint that you want to quote or anything you have to say would be fine with me.
 
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God is a living Being, and as such He has a character or nature. Granted, God being God might mean that His nature is something we can't exactly fathom, but it's something many want to know because it shows us who He is and what He is like. For example, if you're in the middle of a storm in life, you might want to know if God is of the kind of character that He would want to be hurting you, or if His character is such that He might say "it is I, be not afraid."
 
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Christianity does not teach that humans become one with God's Nature; that would be anti-Christian theology.

Christianity, or at least historic, orthodox Christianity, teaches that we will become one with God's Energies, thus remaining distinctly human yet have a perfect, good, and free will.
 
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Christianity does not teach that humans become one with God's Nature; that would be anti-Christian theology.

Christianity, or at least historic, orthodox Christianity, teaches that we will become one with God's Energies, thus remaining distinctly human yet have a perfect, good, and free will.
Huh? :scratch:



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what does it mean when a saint is talking about the nature of God?

does anyone have any quotes from any saint that speaks about such?

If you are looking for information on the nature of God, I would recommend checking out the Summa Theologica written by Saint Thomas Aquinas. What you may be looking for will be found in the first part. Below is a link if you are interested:

SUMMA THEOLOGICA: Prima Pars
 
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Just because the Holy Spirit is in us doesn't mean we become one with his essential divinity. Rather, we are conformed by him into the pattern of God's own activity, as the person of the Holy Spirit shapes us into persons who are like him.

If human nature became divine nature, then we'd be adding more members to the Trinity.
 
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Just because the Holy Spirit is in us doesn't mean we become one with his essential divinity. Rather, we are conformed by him into the pattern of God's own activity, as the person of the Holy Spirit shapes us into persons who are like him.

If human nature became divine nature, then we'd be adding more members to the Trinity.

If human nature became divine nature, we'd be absorbing one into the other and destroying any distinction between the uncreated God and his creation.

Adding more "members" to the Trinity would require the addition of persons. I can't see how confusing human nature, with divine nature, relates to the numbers of persons.
 
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Just because the Holy Spirit is in us doesn't mean we become one with his essential divinity. Rather, we are conformed by him into the pattern of God's own activity, as the person of the Holy Spirit shapes us into persons who are like him.

If human nature became divine nature, then we'd be adding more members to the Trinity.

If God is in you, where is He? In your pocket?

What does "in you" refer to, other than whatever it is you are?
 
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GratiaCorpusChristi

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The claim was made that we cannot come into union with God.

If a man cannot come into union with God, then Jesus Christ was either: A) not human B) not God.

That's not the claim being made.

Our claim is that human nature cannot become divine nature, not that human nature cannot be united to divine nature through hypostatic union. But what happens in the case of Jesus is that the one single person Jesus is both fully God and fully man and that the union happens through the singularity of personhood, not that Jesus' humanity became divine or that his divinity became human. The divine person, the Second of Person of the Trinity, assumed a human nature.

In our case, we don't even do that. We don't become new members of the Trinity. Rather, we are united with God through union with his activity ("energies" in the classic eastern language). Our way of being is united to God's way of being, but our being does not become god's being.
 
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That's not the claim being made.

God the Holy Spirit does dwell with us, but we are not unioned with Him; we are inspired by Him. Big difference.



Our claim is that human nature cannot become divine nature, not that human nature cannot be united to divine nature through hypostatic union. But what happens in the case of Jesus is that the one single person Jesus is both fully God and fully man and that the union happens through the singularity of personhood, not that Jesus' humanity became divine or that his divinity became human. The divine person, the Second of Person of the Trinity, assumed a human nature.

In our case, we don't even do that. We don't become new members of the Trinity. Rather, we are united with God through union with his activity ("energies" in the classic eastern language). Our way of being is united to God's way of being, but our being does not become god's being.
I think your philosophy is amounting to confusion, and I can't recognize its existence as truth if it's contradictory. But whatever you say is possible or not possible for a man, it was likewise possible or impossible for Jesus Christ, unless you want to say He wasn't human.

Ignoring the flaw of your logic doesn't make it go away.
 
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I think your philosophy is amounting to confusion, and I can't recognize its existence as truth if it's contradictory. But whatever you say is possible or not possible for a man, it was likewise possible or impossible for Jesus Christ, unless you want to say He wasn't human.

Ignoring the flaw of your logic doesn't make it go away.

This is not a response.
 
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