godly sorrow

[Jesusfann777888]

I just read a thing online that said, godly sorrow is when you are " sorry enough to change your actions."

can this topic see exploration because I'm Wondering if I found my gem, and maybe something that could be helpful to others seeking that word I don't understand, repentance.

 

[Jeshu]

I just read a thing online that said, godly sorrow is when you are " sorry enough to change your actions."

can this topic see exploration because I'm Wondering if I found my gem, and maybe something that could be helpful to others seeking that word I don't understand, repentance.

Godly sorrow comes after wilful sin if we love the Lord our God. If we don't love God then we wont feel Godly sorrow at our sinful actions but delight in them instead.

A believer has sorrow for the One they have pierced with their sin and this leads to repentance through the Spirit of meekness and humbleness.

Fear for punishment will not produce Godly sorrow but hardens sinners hearts instead because such fear does not liberate but captivate believers with the sin, repent, sin syndrome.

When our hearts don't feel accused after sin then we have ironed our conscience with a hot iron and need to seek out God's loving truth to set us free from such captivity to sin.

Loving God fires our emotions like nothing else does. Loving God does not seek to hurt Him with sin but rather please Him doing His will. To love actively from the heart all those He has made in His image and to do what is right. However small the imprint.

Peace.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I just read a thing online that said, godly sorrow is when you are " sorry enough to change your actions."

can this topic see exploration because I'm Wondering if I found my gem, and maybe something that could be helpful to others seeking that word I don't understand, repentance.

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted;
but the sorrow of the world produces death.
The context is that a Christian must accept correction, and show diligence to demonstrate
their contrite spirit.
11: For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced
in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

 

[Sketcher]

Godly sorrow is when you grieve over your sin for the sake of God and his righteousness. It will motivate some sort of a change so as to improve your relationship with God.

Worldly sorrow is more like straight despair. It doesn't need to acknowledge God, and isn't redemptive.

 

[Paulomycin]

I just read a thing online that said, godly sorrow is when you are " sorry enough to change your actions."

can this topic see exploration because I'm Wondering if I found my gem, and maybe something that could be helpful to others seeking that word I don't understand, repentance.

No doubt you're definitely onto something here. It is one of the gems of theology, as well as soteriology.

There's this thing in theology called, "love of attrition" vs. "love of contrition." It's one of the few things that both Roman Catholic and Protestant theologians still agree on (or at least those who still know of it). While they don't agree on the solution, they still consistently agree on the nature of the problem within the real distinction.

"Love of attrition" - is sorrow over one's sin just because they were caught. It's the same as the old analogy of the kid being caught with his hand in the cookie jar--suddenly swearing love and respect for parental authority, just to get out of a spanking.

"Love of contrition" - is sorrow for one’s sins based on the selfless motive of love for God and sorrow for having offended him.

Therefore, many professing Christians who die will be horrified to find out that they are still immediately bound for Hell, simply because they thought they had "fire insurance." They only made the profession of faith just to get out of the punishment of Hell.

God knows the heart. Thus, He knows your motives. Only the motive of contrition goes to Heaven.

 

[Mark Quayle]

I just read a thing online that said, godly sorrow is when you are " sorry enough to change your actions."

can this topic see exploration because I'm Wondering if I found my gem, and maybe something that could be helpful to others seeking that word I don't understand, repentance.

There is a godly fear, first, that results from sin. When you are intensely aware of what you deserve and awful temporal consequences seem imminent, and you are disgusted with yourself and expect the worst --almost welcoming it to get it over with--, God's kindness and reprieve cause a new fear --a godly fear-- you KNOW you were at the cusp, and he should have finished you, but he did not. The thankfulness is overflowing, with an internal trembling at the patience and power of God who would be entirely justified in doing you in --THAT God-- who will not be mocked, forgives you for HIS OWN SAKE. Not because you deserve it nor because he owes you anything.

Then, you do it again, and again, teaching yourself to ignore all protests and even thought, and driving the Godly fear away, and teaching your mind new habits of blocking the conscience, but then the Spirit of God touches you and you are overwhelmed. I don't know any other words to name the scream of pain you feel crying out to God for help, for strength, for integrity, for the righteousness and holiness you have so desired for so long, and keep pushing away from you, but to name it "Godly sorrow". No longer is it about you, but about God.

It is God who works in you both to will and do according to his good pleasure.

Repentance, no matter how sincere, is not repentance unless God works it in you. You can make all your rules and sayings, and be measured by them, but you will fall short. Only God can do this.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Godly sorrow comes after wilful sin if we love the Lord our God. If we don't love God then we wont feel Godly sorrow at our sinful actions

Amen that!

 

[Jesusfann777888]

Godly sorrow comes after wilful sin if we love the Lord our God. If we don't love God then we wont feel Godly sorrow at our sinful actions but delight in them instead.

A believer has sorrow for the One they have pierced with their sin and this leads to repentance through the Spirit of meekness and humbleness.

Fear for punishment will not produce Godly sorrow but hardens sinners hearts instead because such fear does not liberate but captivate believers with the sin, repent, sin syndrome.

When our hearts don't feel accused after sin then we have ironed our conscience with a hot iron and need to seek out God's loving truth to set us free from such captivity to sin.

Loving God fires our emotions like nothing else does. Loving God does not seek to hurt Him with sin but rather please Him doing His will. To love actively from the heart all those He has made in His image and to do what is right. However small the imprint.

Peace.

I read something here on the forumn about The Holy Spirit being associated with entering the heart.

I had come to the conclusion that as a result of add spiritual death, carnality was the result of Adams inability to make decisions or act in a manner consistent with God's nature lacking God's Holy Spirit indwelling him, and why children are born with the sinful nature of the flesh, considering what you said, and thinking today, that maybe, godly sorrow was the result of the indwelling of The Holy Spirit, which is the reason it's called godly, I think I made a miscalculation because you can't receive THE Holy Spirit before you repent however, I can't see people repenting unless they believed in the first place.

as far as fear is concerned the only fear I have is not being able to see Jesus, or Yahweh or The Holy Spirit. I'm not alltoghether concerned with hell, or burning for eternity, it's not a motivation to steer me away from hell. Now, not seeing Jesus, I know I'D be losing out on someone who Love's me. My life has lacked Love so, the only person I can bring myself to care about is Jesus.

It's Conceptually confusing for me at this point with what everyone's saying so I'm Just going to have to read The Bible. I bought a KJVSo I'M Excited!

 

[Jesusfann777888]

No doubt you're definitely onto something here. It is one of the gems of theology, as well as soteriology.

There's this thing in theology called, "love of attrition" vs. "love of contrition." It's one of the few things that both Roman Catholic and Protestant theologians still agree on (or at least those who still know of it). While they don't agree on the solution, they still consistently agree on the nature of the problem within the real distinction.

"Love of attrition" - is sorrow over one's sin just because they were caught. It's the same as the old analogy of the kid being caught with his hand in the cookie jar--suddenly swearing love and respect for parental authority, just to get out of a spanking.

"Love of contrition" - is sorrow for one’s sins based on the selfless motive of love for God and sorrow for having offended him.

Therefore, many professing Christians who die will be horrified to find out that they are still immediately bound for Hell, simply because they thought they had "fire insurance." They only made the profession of faith just to get out of the punishment of Hell.

God knows the heart. Thus, He knows your motives. Only the motive of contrition goes to Heaven.

Well, I can't say that I'd be sorry if I was caught doing something, I'd only feel sorry if I offended JESUS, but lately I've started becoming angry with Jesus, which I never thought would happen.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm overcomplicating The Bible or just doing everything wrong.

as far as those who wanted to avoid hell, I'm starting to realize that unless you get saved from something, there is no real connection with thankfulness on behalf of a believer. My problem, at least in certain regard's to the concept you stated is I'm not really sure if any non-Christian, would fall under the concept of feeling sorry for getting caught, or that a Christian would only feel sorry for being caught as the personality of a person such as that, wouldn't really even care to go to church.

However, what do you think about people who pretend, are there any real pretender's or just people who have been given an easy doctrinal line. I'm starting to think that the problem with belief's in the modern church setting have to do with "leadership" that was not called to fulfill the role of pastor. I feel a lot were, but many weren't. I'm not even sure some pastor's are Christian, which I think is what warp's concepts associated with Christianity. What really even happened to Christianity? Why are there any denomination's? I've Evaluated some things and have come to The Conclusion that Scripture has been altered on top of those teaching an altered version of The Bible. My basis for this is that the Apostle's stated if another person Talk's to you about another Jesus, insinuating denomination's were condemned.

Either way, at least I gained some insight on repentance, as far as what repentance is. I thought Repentance was doing Everything Jesus Said to The Letter, is that Correct?

 

[Jeshu]

I think I made a miscalculation because you can't receive THE Holy Spirit before you repent however, I can't see people repenting unless they believed in the first place.

Faith is a gift of God to all those who ask. Scripture also teaches that all who call on the name of the Lord will be saved.

So if your sin worry you then that is already the work of The Holy Spirit. The holy Spirit has faith in Christ so see for yourself if you have faith in Jesus then you can repent also.

Faith in Jesus comes from the holy Spirit and is a gift of God of those who ask Him.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted;
but the sorrow of the world produces death.
The context is that a Christian must accept correction, and show diligence to demonstrate
their contrite spirit.
11: For observe this very thing, that you sorrowed in a godly manner: What diligence it produced
in you, what clearing of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what vehement desire, what zeal, what vindication! In all things you proved yourselves to be clear in this matter.

can you explain what the sorrow of the world is?

 

[Mark Quayle]

can you explain what the sorrow of the world is?

Worldly sorrow is for personal loss, either directly or sympathetically. Occasional is it for such things as loss of a great national or natural treasure, some person. Godly sorrow is for the transgression against God. It has more to do with God's assessment of right and wrong, than man's assessment.

What you mentioned in your earlier post concerning the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer is correct. Godly sorrow does not make sense to the unbeliever. It can't even be explained to unbelievers. It springs from the Spirit of God within --not from the intellect or assessments of man, just as does faith, repentance and obedience.

 

[Jesusfann777888]

Worldly sorrow is for personal loss, either directly or sympathetically. Occasional is it for such things as loss of a great national or natural treasure, some person. Godly sorrow is for the transgression against God. It has more to do with God's assessment of right and wrong, than man's assessment.

What you mentioned in your earlier post concerning the Holy Spirit indwelling the believer is correct. Godly sorrow does not make sense to the unbeliever. It can't even be explained to unbelievers. It springs from the Spirit of God within --not from the intellect or assessments of man, just as does faith, repentance and obedience.

So what is repentance, it's a change but is it following Jesus commandment'S to the Letter? I have always viewed repentance as doing everything Jesus said, to repent of bring a sinner doing only what is Commanded.

 

[Jeshu]

So what is repentance, it's a change but is it following Jesus commandment'S to the Letter? I have always viewed repentance as doing everything Jesus said, to repent of bring a sinner doing only what is Commanded.

No, it has little to do with following the letter, rather we grow in love for God because of His grace upon us sinners. This induces a repent heart which turns from sin and finds new life in Christ.

Life with Jesus is about dying to wrong - that which dwells inside of us and disobeys God's loving truth must go - time and again. The good thing is the coming to life in the New. When our lives under leadership of the Holy Spirit grows in measure as our life in sin dies along the way.

Sin is a hard taskmaster Jesus is not. That is why He calls us to love God and neighbour, not just ourselves, to share the goodness growing in us with as many people as we can. For Jesus is awesome news to those who hate their lives and long for better.

Faith in Jesus does that. It brings the grace of God from above, His love inside of us which begins to renew us back into the image of God. For free. No compelling must do, must not do. Free to eat and drink anything sold on the market. Free to enjoy God's good without fear of negative life robbing us of control.

Fighting sin works like that. We trust in God's grace and look at Christ and not ourselves, His righteousness becomes our own when we have faith in Him, that is the deal. That is what has us rejoicing and leaving our lives of sin happily and rejoicing along the way.

God's love is so very good, so very much better than the wages of sin.

Call on His name to be saved even today and let His loving truth awaken godly sorrow for your sins so you might find the salvation of your soul.

 

[Paulomycin]

However, what do you think about people who pretend, are there any real pretender's. . .

Tons.

The Empty Confession (gty.org)

^ Reliable source. A short study, but full of excellent scripture.

What really even happened to Christianity?

It's been largely corrupted. Sheep and wolves. Wheat and tares.