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Struggles by Non-Christians
God would never give you more than you can handle
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<blockquote data-quote="Monna" data-source="post: 71901826" data-attributes="member: 395087"><p>No. I have not seen the film, nor read the book. The little I know of the story told here, it sounds more far fetched than the account given in the Bible.</p><p></p><p>In the Bible Jesus' prayer in Gesthemane Garden is about avoiding, if possible, the full scope of the specific death that he foresaw. Personally I believe this was about much more than just a physical death by crucifixion, but something much deeper and wider that I think I would have a great deal of difficulty in describing and certainly could not describe fully. All of us die. Jesus knew that and lived with death around him. Westerners generally have a very different attitude to, and relationship with death than most people in less "developed" and older societies. I don't think "simple" physical death scared him particularly. He spoke frequently about his death with his disciples and it was his disciples who seem more apalled at the thought than he was. No, it was something more.</p><p></p><p>Nor do I think this was his final temptation. He could have had several very powerful things to say to Caiaphas, to Annas, to Pilot, to Herod, but the closest record we have to his meetings with them indicate that he pretty much kept quiet and seemed more in control of the situation than any of them did. So much so that Pilate was amazed, and washed his hands of his death saying he found no reason to condemn him to death, even as he turned him over to his men to crucify him on behalf of the Jewish leaders ... to keep the peace and his job. Jesus could have ranted and raved at the soldiers who nailed him to the cross like the other two men did, instead he asked for their forgiveness; he could have replied to those who mocked him but he seemed simply to absorb it all. Instead, what he did was encourage the one criminal hanging beside him, and ask John to look after his mother. He didn't focus on himself. Ironically, you could say, he followed his own advice "Deny yourself, take up your cross daily, and follow me." His true agony seemed to revolve around the very sudden loss of his connexion with God, not through the process of his trial and crucifixion, but towards the very end. </p><p></p><p>That he faced temptations there is no doubt. He was tempted in all the ways that you and I are tempted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Monna, post: 71901826, member: 395087"] No. I have not seen the film, nor read the book. The little I know of the story told here, it sounds more far fetched than the account given in the Bible. In the Bible Jesus' prayer in Gesthemane Garden is about avoiding, if possible, the full scope of the specific death that he foresaw. Personally I believe this was about much more than just a physical death by crucifixion, but something much deeper and wider that I think I would have a great deal of difficulty in describing and certainly could not describe fully. All of us die. Jesus knew that and lived with death around him. Westerners generally have a very different attitude to, and relationship with death than most people in less "developed" and older societies. I don't think "simple" physical death scared him particularly. He spoke frequently about his death with his disciples and it was his disciples who seem more apalled at the thought than he was. No, it was something more. Nor do I think this was his final temptation. He could have had several very powerful things to say to Caiaphas, to Annas, to Pilot, to Herod, but the closest record we have to his meetings with them indicate that he pretty much kept quiet and seemed more in control of the situation than any of them did. So much so that Pilate was amazed, and washed his hands of his death saying he found no reason to condemn him to death, even as he turned him over to his men to crucify him on behalf of the Jewish leaders ... to keep the peace and his job. Jesus could have ranted and raved at the soldiers who nailed him to the cross like the other two men did, instead he asked for their forgiveness; he could have replied to those who mocked him but he seemed simply to absorb it all. Instead, what he did was encourage the one criminal hanging beside him, and ask John to look after his mother. He didn't focus on himself. Ironically, you could say, he followed his own advice "Deny yourself, take up your cross daily, and follow me." His true agony seemed to revolve around the very sudden loss of his connexion with God, not through the process of his trial and crucifixion, but towards the very end. That he faced temptations there is no doubt. He was tempted in all the ways that you and I are tempted. [/QUOTE]
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