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God used Evolution to create man

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Loudmouth

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You're not familiar with the art of amanuensis, are you?

Tell you what:

Write a letter to Maria, then give it to Sue.

If Sue photocopies it and then gives it to Alice, who wrote the letter?

Hear a story about Paul Bunyan, write it down and put your own name on it. What do you have? Plagarism of a fictional story.
 
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Agreed, why should we appeal to experts on the bible when most agree Jesus existed. (Sarc) *sigh*
Amateurs penned the Bible; experts wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races and its sequel, Mein Kampf.
 
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I would like to see these new species you speak of. Or the transitional species that are leading to new species. Not just mutations that aren't repeated.

I would like to see the repeating beginning of the original life forms that began the road of evolution....Scientists can't even do it in controlled conditions.

Most "theists" that believe God used evolution are not taking the truth of the Bible as it was intended. Even so, truth is not a democracy.

What proof do you have that creation didn't happen as it was written. Many experts for both evolution and creation use the same data, history, and scientific information to prove their arguments.

Creation is not comparable to evolution in the sense that creation gives a method for the start of life, creation gives a purpose, creation provides the explanation for the many fascinating designs in nature, science, space, mathematics and humanity. Creation gives an explanation for the existence of love, sacrifice, sympathy, humor, the existence of two different sex's and the existence of good and evil. Creation gives an explanation for the existence of the spirit world, ghosts and paranormal activity, Creation gives the explanation of universal moral code, right and wrong and ethics.

Evolution cannot produce a reason for any of these.
 
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I would like to see these new species you speak of. Or the transitional species that are leading to new species. Not just mutations that aren't repeated.

All the species that you see in existence are "new" species, in the sense that they still exist while 98% of their forerunners are extinct.

All species are "transitional", in that each succeeding generation have mutations not present in their forerunners.

I would like to see the repeating beginning of the original life forms that began the road of evolution....Scientists can't even do it in controlled conditions.

So would I. We haven't solved that question yet. But it plays NO part in understanding evolution.


Most "theists" that believe God used evolution are not taking the truth of the Bible as it was intended. Even so, truth is not a democracy.

Seems like it is. Every theist you speak to has their own version of Biblical "truth".

What proof do you have that creation didn't happen as it was written. Many experts for both evolution and creation use the same data, history, and scientific information to prove their arguments.

Aren't you strong enough? Can't carry that burden of proof, so you have to shift it to those who don't accept your claims?


And it's not comparable to evolution, because it has NO evidence to support its claims, whereas evolutionary theory has truckloads.

Evolution cannot produce a reason for any of these.

But it does have all the evidence!
 
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What One Famous Scientist Said About Evolution
"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this [evolution] stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me ....."
"[The] question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing - it ought not to be taught in high school"."
Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981. Unpublished transcript.
 
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http://www.christianforums.com/t7840061-8/#post66268103

Please click on the link in that post for the original letter Dr. Patterson wrote explaining how creationists had unethically manipulated what he actually said.
 
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All the species that you see in existence are "new" species, in the sense that they still exist while 98% of their forerunners are extinct.

Please show me an species that is changing or evolving into a new and more advanced or more well adapted species at this present time.

Also, please show me the evidence for the 98% of missing or extinct species. There must be thousands upon thousands if the existing creatures is only 2 % of the previously existing creatures.

Please show me evidence of the thousands of missing transitional species that would have had to have existed for millions of years between the species that we have fossils for.

Please explain the existence of fossils said to be millions of years old yet are identical to the creature we have today, with no change.





Euler said:
So would I. We haven't solved that question yet. But it plays NO part in understanding evolution.

So you have know way to explain how life started or got here or began. So let's skip that "little" detail and just jump to "now that it's here, this is what it did from there". You say "it's here so it must have "showed up somehow"

I have more respect for people who say that aliens seeded us here.

You are evolving organisms that have no starting point.




Euler said:
Seems like it is. Every theist you speak to has their own version of Biblical "truth".

Yep. How many different Christian religious church affiliations are there? All with their own twist on how we should worship God.




Euler said:
Aren't you strong enough? Can't carry that burden of proof, so you have to shift it to those who don't accept your claims?

I think you missed my point. What I am saying is that if this was to go to a court of law, both sides would use the same evidence to prove their point. All your evidence used to prove your case can be used just as strongly to prove or disprove your argument when people expert in the respective fields with a bent for or against evolution apply it.
You know this to be true as I know you have used the internet to search your data.



Euler said:
And it's not comparable to evolution, because it has NO evidence to support its claims, whereas evolutionary theory has truckloads.

Again, there are experts in the various scientific fields that have far more education and knowledge than I do that can prove you wrong and prove you right, using the existing scientific data that we have today.



Euler said:
But it does have all the evidence!

See above.


Quick question. How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.
 
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Please show me an species that is changing or evolving into a new and more advanced or more well adapted species at this present time.

All of them. They all mutate from one generation to the next. Beneficial ones are selected, harmful ones tend to be eliminated.

Also, please show me the evidence for the 98% of missing or extinct species. There must be thousands upon thousands if the existing creatures is only 2 % of the previously existing creatures.

Here's one to get you started - there are dozens.

http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/Cont...hibians/Science-Ideas-and-Concepts/Extinction


Please show me evidence of the thousands of missing transitional species that would have had to have existed for millions of years between the species that we have fossils for.

And let me guess: for each additional fossil that is found, you'll claim 2 more 'gaps' that need to be filled, right?

Please explain the existence of fossils said to be millions of years old yet are identical to the creature we have today, with no change.

You had some examples in mind?


So you have know way to explain how life started or got here or began.

No. Only that it obviously did.

So let's skip that "little" detail and just jump to "now that it's here, this is what it did from there". You say "it's here so it must have "showed up somehow"

I have more respect for people who say that aliens seeded us here.

Speaking of "seeded", some of my family are farmers. Very good farmers. They're very skilled in being able to get things to grow well.

And you know what? They're able to do that, without knowing where the dirt came from in the first place. Strange huh?

You are evolving organisms that have no starting point.

My family farms just fine without knowing where the dirt came from. Or the water, for that matter.

Evolutionary theory works just fine too, without knowing for sure where the first life came from.

Yep. How many different Christian religious church affiliations are there? All with their own twist on how we should worship God.

About 40,000 I'm told. All with their own pipeline to the "truth".


You know nothing. You only think you know. How does creationism explain the locations of endogenous retroviral insertions within primates - particularly chimpanzees and humans?


Again, there are experts in the various scientific fields that have far more education and knowledge than I do that can prove you wrong and prove you right, using the existing scientific data that we have today.

Science attempts to "prove" nothing.

Quick question. How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.

Quicker answer. It doesn't.


You're kinda funny.
 
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Please show me an species that is changing or evolving into a new and more advanced or more well adapted species at this present time....

Every species is evolving every time they have offspring.

There isn't suddenly a new species created so your request is nonsensical in terms of evolution.
 
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Quick question. How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.

Quicker answer. It doesn't.

Well, in the case of aliens, if they're comparable to us then evolution would explain how they and their biosphere of origin developed and diversified. It doesn't cover that other stuff though.
 
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