God The Father Exists

hybrid said:

yes, but what is spirit?

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all that I know that the bible says about it is that a spirit is like the wind, that's all the info we have. but one day God will tell us more and we will know more experientally as to what a spirit is. I say it's a being in a different, nonphysical realm. but a spirit is not some nonsensical, illogical, contradicory thing just cause you don't have more info on what a spirit is. why would you assume that spirits are nonsensical, illogic al gross contradicitons? why not assume that they are not?

kerwin said:

i never invented trinity. it was simply presented in scriptures whereas Christ were described in non-human terms/characteristics that even the early ancients Christians never failed to notice. and to assign meaning and treat them all as figure of speech is missing the mark. imho. why do you think that even christ himself talk in parables to convey matters concerning spirit if it were easy to logically explain.?

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because it wasn't given to them to understand. not because it was impossible to understand. the apostles understood. just like when Jesus said to eat his flesh and drink his blood, it wasn't given to them to understand it. but the meaning is understandable. the meaning is to believe in Jesus, not to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood. even many christians today don't understand it they think it means that when you take communion the wafer turns to Jesus flesh, and the wine to his blood, well that was the understanding those had who left Jesus at that time, which was incorrect. but the saying is understandable.

kerwin said:

exactly , your mind is a mini logical computer that cannot comprehend reality.

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can't comprehend reality? you mean you don't know what's real? I do. my mind is more than a mini computer.

kerwin said:

illogical trinity it may seemed, the logical aspect of course is in the faith that this idea was divinely inspired.

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trinity is illogical because 3 is not one. we aren't to beleive some man made illogical nonsensical contradictory doctrine and accept it on faith. we are to accept the word of God on faith not mans interpretations of God's word. You gotta say something that makes sense to be believed, God has and so far you haven't. you say trinity is inspired, i say it isn't. how can you prove that some man made doctrine is inspired? you can't so to defend trinity by saying it is inspiried is no proof because everyone will say that about his or her doctrine. doctrine is to be sound , we are told to have sound doctrine, contradictions , illogicalities, nonsensicalness in doctrines makes them unsound not sound.
it don't get anymore unsound than 3 is / are one.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

You're in effect here routing for unsound doctrine, cause we shouldn't understand our doctrine, if we don't understand our doctrine, then hey itr's gotta be super smart stuff. that's in effect your whole argument here.

kerwin said:

to show you it has basis in reality take for example the lowly electron. the scientist tell us that an electron is "non-local" (it's a quantum physics term). so what do you mean by non-local?

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so if you can find something that makes no sense then what god says makes no sense either. I don't buy your argument.

kerwin said:

nobody understands.. right? but if you make a logical deduction to the behavior of nonlocality, it can be said that it is nowhere and everywhere simultaneously. if that is the best rationalization we can make of it, is it logical at all? if the everyday item like electron eludes our logical understanding of its true nature, how much more its creator. to say god is one, means nothing anymore, i think the human civilization is past way beyond polytheism. but to say we are one in god thru christ. now that is an idea basically unexplored. but to be sure obviously oneness cannot be found in our beliefs nor our minds.[/qutoe] except that you say god is 3 that are/is one, not God. man invented the doctrine not god. so man has to make sense of it, and he can't so it isn't true. You can't invent something that makes no sense and say it makes sense cause we just don't understand it. It's like me saying "the color red is the color purple. well you can't understand it but hey its true cause if you had a bigger brain you could." well what trinitarians are saying in effect is the same thing. "god is 3 persons (beings) that are one god \(being). you can't understand it cause you just don't have a big enough brain to comprehend it."

kerwin said:

2dl, not everything in the universe is algorithmic. there are non-algorithmic aspects in reality, like spirit, consciousness. and for sure god is beyond the simple algorithm you wanted to in case your idea of god.

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we aren't talking about algorithmicsm, we are talking about s imple addition. either god is one or they are 3, no verse says god is 3 and plenty say god is one, so i believe the bible and you can believe your doctrine that g od is 3 in one or 3 is one, or whatever illogical contradictory thing you come up with.

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