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I'm all for women and Black presidents... I just really do NOT want it to be Hillary Clinton
I was born in 1945, raised in Dallas. Schools were segregated, so I really never know anyone of color. When I was about 15 I was at a lunch counter in downtown Dallas with two friends. Three black girls, about our age, sat down and were asked to leave. Winessing that was like a knife in my heart. At age 19 I read Black Like Me by John Howard Griffin, another eye-opener for me. During the 1960s the nation was wracked by racial strife; I spent some of that decade overseas, but the images I saw are imprinted in my data base.
I have spent my adult life treating everyone I meet in the same manner. Now, I read posts on this thread about how racist our country is and that some of you agree with Wright. Posts by some who weren't even alive in the 1960s...oh, well. I'll keep doing the best I can.
Peace and love.
My church has many black people in it, and other minorities too. I'm one of the minorities myself, so multiracial I have no clue what race to call myself besides "human". Seattle is a pretty racially mixed and cosmopolitan city. My church (Assemblies of God) is not liberal, but it is loving and inclusive. We have no guilt: it's all covered by the blood of Christ. But thanks for the nasty and offensive stereotyping.You know when someone coughs, and hides a certain word? That's the word I'm thinking of right now.
Jeremiah Wright does not belong in the same category as Louis Farrakhan. I know--I've been there, I know one of its associate ministers, his wife who ministers at one of their daughter churches, and a staffer who attended the church where I was trained as a minister.
In the first place, I promise you that I got a friendlier reception as the only white guy in the building than he would as the only black guy in your church. Yes, I mean your church--your liberal, open-minded church with no black people in it (or, even worse, a couple of well-dressed black people who can assuage your guilt without challenging your assumptions). I won't insist that you call him a prophet, but he's not at all the way he has been portrayed in the media over the last week, and his church doesn't stand for the principles that it's been stereotyped to hold.
I think it's funny that the same people who were sending out "Obama is a Muslim" emails two months ago are now wailing about his pastor. It looks to me like they're cutting back on the outrageousness of their smears until they find one that's small enough to fly, but big enough to hurt.
Alan
I agree that it's time and past time that we had a black candidate and a woman candidate, though I really, really wish they weren't liberal Democrats, a philosophy that I consider misguided at best. I'm not so certain of the reasons we haven't had viable black or female presidential candidates before... I think it's rather more complex than just racism, though I'll agree that's been a factor. But don't you think it's great that we've gotten over it to the point where we have such candidates?it's about time we had a black candidate or woman candidate...it took until the year 2008 that is pretty sad.
The amount of time it took to have viable candidates NOT from the dominant culture white males shows how racist this society is.
I'm not absolving anybody. There was tremendous incompetence displayed at the federal, state and local levels. There would've been less incompetence at the state and local levels in CT because LA has long been known for corrupt and incompetent politics -- and that's not a racial thing: most of those corrupt and incompetent LA politicians have been white.If you want to excuse American citizens dehydrating to death and dying of heat exhaustion and absolve our federal leader of his responsibility fine. it stinks from the fishes head DOWN-the fact that we can more sucessfully blow up people rather than save them from a natural disaster says volumes.
AND RACE played a role in the inaction with those people, we still have cruel people who blame the victims of Katrina.
Would that have happened in Greenwich CT. Hell no. The reason? It's easy white rich people.
There we totally disagree, and we aren't going to be able to resolve it, because it's at the level of how we model reality in our minds, in other words basic premises and ideology.The dominant white male culture obvisouly wants everyone to measure themselves against that stick-the white European culture. Where women are devalued, and those who deviate from teh european culture are somehow "bad". As for Bill Cosby he has an opinion I have mine. This is a sick society which fools itself into believing it's "just". It's not.
On this much we are in whole-hearted agreement.I'm all for women and Black presidents... I just really do NOT want it to be Hillary Clinton
Anything is better than this idiot we have in office now...the man has ruined this country. I have met people who voted for him for the most idiotic reasons.
One lady stated she voted for the half whit because she "didn't want gays to adopt."
Institutional racism is still racism. Why are most medical studies done on white males-? Why are their more billboards in inner cities that advertise cigarrettes than in say a suburban area, why are African Americans more likely to die from lung cancer when they smoke less than whites? You say this society is less racist?
I think that's a pretty good insight. The Bush/Clinton cycle needs to end. No more of either for at least a generation! Maybe Chelsea Clinton or George P. Bush, but not before that.You're prolly gonna tell me I'm crazy... but...
from my research into the past administrations... I've concluded that there is a bizarre freaked up Bush/Clinton alliance set on ruining this country for their own good. I swear they are single-handed rotating the two-party system off its axis, playing "good cop/ bad cop" to the other's "side".
This could be why Ann Coulter officially endorses Hillary Clinton at this point
From Bush Sr to the Hill/Bill Clintons to Bush Jr, it's been nothing but a series of lies, screwy management and pornographic violence.
So, I won't just say "anybody but Bush" I will say that either McCain or Obama will take our country in a different direction than this ridiculous Bush/Clinton cycle.
Right, we aren't going to agree on that. I see Liberation Theology as well-intentioned, but fatally flawed by its roots in Marxist and socialist ideology. I see that view of how the world works, how capitalism works, and how human beings work, as being completely at odds with with how they really work. I agree with the idea that Jesus wants us to help the poor. But I disagree with the notion that more socialism will be good for them, or good for anybody at all but for power-seeking government officials and their allies.Unfortunately, it looks at though our disagreements get worse considering Liberation Theology... Not to offend you, but I'm 120% Liberation Theology, I think it IS the gospel message. I agree with those who say that Liberationism will be the next "main" category of Christianity (Catholic-Protestant-Liberationist). And I'm in the 3rd category. There are, of course, some very liberal Christians in this camp regarding theology, there are also some very conservative types. For me, affirming the conservative doctrines (virgin birth, resurrection, etc) make the Liberationist viewpoint stronger.
(sorrie)
I have no objection to the early church form of voluntary communism between consenting believers. I might even be willing to live in such a community. But that's in sharp contrast with state socialism, which is anything but voluntary.If you ask me, Liberation Theology has its roots in the communism of LOVE practised in the book of Acts, the only true communism which has ever been tried. Marxism and Socialism represent secular abuses of a way-of-living mandated by God in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
But ok, I won't keep on... I know we disagree, and that's how life goes...
Izdaari,
I've never believed that such things should be forced upon people. I have no problem admitting that the structures of power in such places like China are evil.
This is the fundamental distinction between what Clinton and Obama believe regarding universal health care. They say the same words, they mean different things. Clinton would mandate it for all, Obama would offer it to all. Very different.
God gives us free will and honors our choices. Jesus wanted to gather all of Jerusalem under hir wings but never made anyone do anything.
But the choices exist before all of us, and they are political, not just religious/theological. Right is still right, wrong is still wrong... and I'm not going to be one those liberals who downplays the concept of divine judgment.
So this is where the whole God damn America theme comes into play. People live in community, be they healthy or dysfunctional in nature. Nations who continually [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] God off for their failure to care for the poor, for their violence, etc. get damned. Plain and simple.
I understand and agree. We need to do much better. But big government policies will not succeed in fighting poverty, but will increase it. Identity politics will not diminish racism, but will exacerbate it.Izdaari,
I've never believed that such things should be forced upon people. I have no problem admitting that the structures of power in such places like China are evil.
This is the fundamental distinction between what Clinton and Obama believe regarding universal health care. They say the same words, they mean different things. Clinton would mandate it for all, Obama would offer it to all. Very different.
God gives us free will and honors our choices. Jesus wanted to gather all of Jerusalem under hir wings but never made anyone do anything.
But the choices exist before all of us, and they are political, not just religious/theological. Right is still right, wrong is still wrong... and I'm not going to be one those liberals who downplays the concept of divine judgment.
So this is where the whole God damn America theme comes into play. People live in community, be they healthy or dysfunctional in nature. Nations who continually [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] God off for their failure to care for the poor, for their violence, etc. get damned. Plain and simple.
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