God Says Scripture Is Not Of Any Private Interpretation!!

coyoteBR · Aug 18, 2005

All right, lets try the Bible without a single interpretation. In the beggining becomes a stick, a curve, another stick, and another stuck with a curve together, e funny curve, a stick with a ball under it, another funny curve, two balls, one over another...
Wait, wait. If I say that the e is a funny curve, I am putting my interpretation on it. It is funny just to me.

Care to try again? No interpretation, please.

nvxplorer · Aug 18, 2005

coyoteBR said:
All right, lets try the Bible without a single interpretation. In the beggining becomes a stick, a curve, another stick, and another stuck with a curve together, e funny curve, a stick with a ball under it, another funny curve, two balls, one over another...
Wait, wait. If I say that the e is a funny curve, I am putting my interpretation on it. It is funny just to me.

Care to try again? No interpretation, please.

There is no "e" in Hebrew, silly.

madarab · Aug 18, 2005

SackLunch, what did you do last Saturday? Did you remember the Sabbath and keep it holy as you were commanded to in Ex20:8? If you didn't do this, should we fear that you are soon also going to be murdering and stealing and committing adultry as is also forbidden in that chapter? Do you believe that you are sinning by not observing the Sabbath as commanded? I strongly suspect that like most (but certainly not all) Christians, you have some interpretation that makes you feel just fine with how you spend your Saturdays.

raphael_aa · Aug 18, 2005

SackLunch said:
There have been several threads started recently regarding Scriptural interpretations. What does the Bible say about this matter? Does God allow for such "other interpretations?"

2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. All this talk of "well you have your own interpreatation" and "you worship the Bible" is simply not biblical. Reading the Bible and taking God for His word IS biblical, and clearly, it's what God tells us to do.

The Bible did not come about by man's words. The Bible is inspired by God. Furthermore, it is not open to interpretation or reinterpretation. It says what it says. God says what He says, whether we like it or not.

This is another good example of the misuse of scripture. (See my thread on this )

The verse quoted says this in the NIV

19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Means something quite different, doesn't it? How about this from the New American Standard?

19So we have the prophetic word made more)sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.

20But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, 21for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

So the scripture Sacklunch quoted is apparently not telling us something 'clearly' since other translations produce different shades of meaning. Unless one would like to get into conspiracy theories about all translations except the KJV involved in a conspiracy (which I have seen advocated) I think rushing to a pre-concieved notion of what a scripture 'clearly' means is problematic.

As others have already demonstrated, the fractured state of modern christianity disproves any 'clear' and 'obvious' interpretation.

SackLunch · Aug 18, 2005

nvxplorer said:
The Bible can mean many things to many people. I hope Sack can impart his great knowledge as to the true meaning of the Truth.

Jesus said He is the Truth (John 14:6). Jesus is the embodiment of absolute truth. If you want to know the truth, look to Jesus.

Truth is a person. And that person is Jesus Christ.

SackLunch · Aug 18, 2005

nvxplorer said:
You haven't answered my question from that thread. When you read John, how do you interpret Word? What idea is John conveying? Why is he conveying it using Word?

Jesus said He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life - and nobody comes to the Father but through Him (John 14:6). Do you believe this?

ImmortalTechnique · Aug 18, 2005

[sacklunch]
no scripture is of private interpretation, so you have to believe my interpretation!
[/sacklunch]

In A Perfect World · Aug 18, 2005

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." - Levitcus 20:13

I take it you are going to go on a killing spree tonight, eh?

Self Improvement · Aug 18, 2005

SackLunch said:
There have been several threads started recently regarding Scriptural interpretations. What does the Bible say about this matter? Does God allow for such "other interpretations?"

2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. All this talk of "well you have your own interpreatation" and "you worship the Bible" is simply not biblical. Reading the Bible and taking God for His word IS biblical, and clearly, it's what God tells us to do.

The Bible did not come about by man's words. The Bible is inspired by God. Furthermore, it is not open to interpretation or reinterpretation. It says what it says. God says what He says, whether we like it or not.

No sacklunch. The Bible says the Bible is not open to private interpretation on prophecy.

Numenor · Aug 18, 2005

SackLunch said:
2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible.

Wrong! This verse is about the authority of scripture, not the authority of private interpertation. Do not pass Go. Do not collect £200.

corvus_corax · Aug 18, 2005

corvus_corax said:
So, then, you are opposed to women teaching in church(1)?
You believe in speaking in tongues and the handling of serpents(2)?
You firmly believe that all Christian women should have long hair and that christian men should all have short hair(3)?
If not, then tell us how your INTERPRETATION allows you to dismiss such teachings

Im still waiting....
(1)"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

(2)"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

(3)"Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practicenor do the churches of God."

Remember, no "interpretation" please. Plain reading, no eisegesis, no modern day cultural influence, no personal bias, and DEFINITELY no denominational influences are allowed.
The bible says it, you believe it, and that settles it, right?

'Fess up. Those women should keep quiet in church with their long hair, except when they're speaking in tongues or possibly handling snakes, right?

I mean, that's a straightforward non-interpretive reading of the scripture.

madarab · Aug 18, 2005

SackLunch, please tell us what you did this Saturday and if we should be allowed to stone you for it.

SackLunch · Aug 19, 2005

madarab said:
SackLunch, please tell us what you did this Saturday and if we should be allowed to stone you for it.

The reason God sent Jesus into the world was to save the world through Him. You see, nobody can be "good enough," because there is no such thing. The Bible says that all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are good; we all have a bent towards that which is evil. None of us has never lied, or never cheated, or never stolen. None of us has never had a bad thought creep into our minds. We have all fallen short of God's glory.

The only way we can atone for this sin is to accept the love of God through Jesus Christ. God sent Jesus to us so that by believing in Him, we can have eternal life. We don't have to follow a set of rules and regulations. We don't have to try and try and try, never knowing. We CAN know, because Jesus Himself said that He was the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, and that nobody comes to the Father but through Him.

If you would like to accept God's salvation today, please pray this prayer with me: "Dear Jesus, I am a sinner, and I'm sorry for my sins. I know you died on that cross for my sins. Come into my heart and life, Jesus, and make me a new creation in You. Amen."

If you prayed that prayer, please stop by and visit www.christiananswers.net. You can also go to www.biblegateway.org and read the first chapter of the Book of John.

God bless everyone here!

Karl - Liberal Backslider · Aug 19, 2005

So, SackLunch, nothing in your last post implies anyone has to abandon sound, tried and tested, mainstream science, like evolution.

So why all the fuss and noise about it?

Nathan Poe · Aug 19, 2005

Let me see if I can save myself the trouble of reading the whole thread:

1: The LORD sayeth unto Sacklunch that there is only one correct way the Bible must be read.

2: If anyone is at all confused what that one way might be, just ask Sacklunch.

Is that the gist of it? And if so, shouldn't this be in GA?

madarab · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch, are you seriously claiming that it's ok to murder and steal and commit adultry. Are you planning on doing this in the near future? That buttwipe serial killer in Kansas was saying pretty much the same thing just the other day.

mcsquared · Aug 19, 2005

So god's book is not open for private interpreation?
Well that get's rid of all christian denominations except for one...
Which one sacky boy?

Dark_Lite · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible.

Coughwheezesnortthereformationhackhacksnortwheezecoughcough.

Wheeeeeeeee...

Fuel for the fire!

SackLunch · Aug 19, 2005

madarab said:
SackLunch, are you seriously claiming that it's ok to murder and steal and commit adultry. Are you planning on doing this in the near future? That buttwipe serial killer in Kansas was saying pretty much the same thing just the other day.

No. God condemns all these things. A heart change for Jesus Christ means we want to please Him, not ourselves. It is not a license for bad behavior. It is simply a knowledge of where we are going, that is, to Heaven, because Jesus has covered our sins - and a knowledge that we don't have to WORK our way there because it is through His grace that we are saved.

SackLunch · Aug 19, 2005

Nathan Poe said:
Let me see if I can save myself the trouble of reading the whole thread:

1: The LORD sayeth unto Sacklunch that there is only one correct way the Bible must be read.

2: If anyone is at all confused what that one way might be, just ask Sacklunch.

Is that the gist of it? And if so, shouldn't this be in GA?

No, I'm just quoting what God said in the Bible. As evangelist Jack VanImpe says, "God wrote it, I'm just quoting it!"

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