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This is a screenshot from Lance Wallnau’s Facebook page (Lance Wallnau is a “7 Mountains” Dominionist):

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Where in Scripture are we told that God will offer us these things?

I am reminded of this, however:

4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.- Matthew 4:1-10

So, who would offer us “cities, mountains, industries, nations, vast amounts of money and influence”? God or Satan?
 
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From Luke 4:

5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
 
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Couldn't this simply be generalized to mean that when God offers you a chance to lead a corporation, to run for mayor or governor or president, to acquire wealth, to run a school, or to assume any position of authority, that we should be ready to accept the challenge, with His glory in mind? Jesus turned down the devil's offer because it bypassed the cross, the shedding of precious blood for the forgiveness of our sin, and it required worship of the devil. But does that mean that every offer of power and authority is outside the will of God?
 
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Couldn't this simply be generalized to mean that when God offers you a chance to lead a corporation, to run for mayor or governor or president, to acquire wealth, to run a school, or to assume any position of authority, that we should be ready to accept the challenge, with His glory in mind? Jesus turned down the devil's offer because it bypassed the cross, the shedding of precious blood for the forgiveness of our sin, and it required worship of the devil. But does that mean that every offer of power and authority is outside the will of God?

Again, where in Scripture are we told that God offers us such things, or that we should in fact seek after them?

And this is precisely what the “7 Mountain Mandate”/Dominionist/Kingdom Now Movement is about. (Of which Lance Wallnau is a key player). They believe and teach that Christians are to infiltrate, take over, take back etc. the “7 Mountains/Spheres of society:

Religion, family, education, government, media, arts & entertainment and business.
 
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The 7-M movement places upon Christians a mandate to dominate world systems to usher in Jesus' return. Spiritually, these ideas are closely associated with New Age thoughts that call for a spiritual shift in which humans become co-redeemers of earth.

Though Jesus calls Christians to be lights in the world (Matthew 5:14), there is nothing in the Bible that requires or encourages them to dominate world systems to make them more like heaven and trigger Jesus' return. The Bible, in contrast with this teaching, says that in the last days the world will be further from God's ideal rather than parallel to it (2 Timothy 3:1, 13; 2 Peter 3:3). Christians are called to actively share the gospel of Christ and be His ambassadors in a lost and dying world (Matthew 28:18–20; 2 Corinthians 5:17–21). We should have an impact on society, but not through domination or forceful change. Rather, we are to share the love of God with others, stand up for His truth, and eagerly await Jesus' return when He will make all things new (Revelation 21).


Source: Is the 7 Mountain Mandate Biblical?
 
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