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<blockquote data-quote="grmorton" data-source="post: 16212966" data-attributes="member: 85112"><p>I just admitted to Ed that we are all playing a bit of a semantic game here so see my reply to Ed. My argument is based upon the distinction that in the traditional god of the gaps argument, science has the capability of filling it. IN this area, science will forever be excluded and while it is a gap in our knowledge, it is not a gap in our scientific knowledge. Now, I would be perfectly happy to say it is a God of the Gaps argument IF you would actually explain why you are not a creationist as I outlined in my reply to Ed. To refresh, if all roads lead to the creation of something out of nothing--creation ex nihilo, Why are you not a creationist like me?</p><p> </p><p>To reiterate the background, even Vilenkin's universe which he claims starts with nothing actually starts with math and logic, which of course is something. And then given that math and logic are forms of information and information requires (in every case we have ever observed) matter into which it is encoded, into what does Vilenkin encode his math before there is matter in his universe?</p><p> </p><p>And if one truly starts with nothing, why does nothingness suddenly pop tensors into existence with which to create a universe? It seems to me that one is faced with something more than merely a naturalistic universe. Oh my gosh, I am close to using the G word again.</p><p> </p><p>And I think that people are missing the impact of all roads leading to god-like traits in whatever we find back there. Maybe we are like the 7 blind men describing the elephant. Each road leads to a small piece of the elephant but the commonalities that come from all of the blind men give us the qualities of self-creation/self-existence, information, math logic, immense power, creativity, the ability to create ex nihilo, but we dare not call that God for fear of becomine a deist or theist. And at the end of the day are you not playing a similar semantic game as I was with god of the gaps? It looks like a god, it quacks like a god, but it aint god.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="grmorton, post: 16212966, member: 85112"] I just admitted to Ed that we are all playing a bit of a semantic game here so see my reply to Ed. My argument is based upon the distinction that in the traditional god of the gaps argument, science has the capability of filling it. IN this area, science will forever be excluded and while it is a gap in our knowledge, it is not a gap in our scientific knowledge. Now, I would be perfectly happy to say it is a God of the Gaps argument IF you would actually explain why you are not a creationist as I outlined in my reply to Ed. To refresh, if all roads lead to the creation of something out of nothing--creation ex nihilo, Why are you not a creationist like me? To reiterate the background, even Vilenkin's universe which he claims starts with nothing actually starts with math and logic, which of course is something. And then given that math and logic are forms of information and information requires (in every case we have ever observed) matter into which it is encoded, into what does Vilenkin encode his math before there is matter in his universe? And if one truly starts with nothing, why does nothingness suddenly pop tensors into existence with which to create a universe? It seems to me that one is faced with something more than merely a naturalistic universe. Oh my gosh, I am close to using the G word again. And I think that people are missing the impact of all roads leading to god-like traits in whatever we find back there. Maybe we are like the 7 blind men describing the elephant. Each road leads to a small piece of the elephant but the commonalities that come from all of the blind men give us the qualities of self-creation/self-existence, information, math logic, immense power, creativity, the ability to create ex nihilo, but we dare not call that God for fear of becomine a deist or theist. And at the end of the day are you not playing a similar semantic game as I was with god of the gaps? It looks like a god, it quacks like a god, but it aint god. [/QUOTE]
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