PsychoSarah
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Pretty sure the Christian god emphasizes punishing people who worship other deities more than those who don't worship any at all. Kinda flips out about it, actually.
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Touche.
But I would still believe in something related to a deity, correct?
In certain circumstances a believer will accept even that, for a time.
Pretty sure the Christian god emphasizes punishing people who worship other deities more than those who don't worship any at all. Kinda flips out about it, actually.
As a guest on a Christian forum, you could be just a little more respectful, hmmm?
And the limited discussion of atheism in the Bible reflects its rarity in ancient times.
Touche.
But I would still believe in something related to a deity, correct?
In certain circumstances a believer will accept even that, for a time.
So you're not thinking of putting Jesus, Dionysus, and Thor in the three boxes, but something like theism, atheism, and deism? You'd then ask someone to pick a box in which the meaning of life resides. They pick one, then you expose one of the remaining boxes, and out pops deism. At that point, you'd have to explain why deism is a false. How would you do that? I think you're left where you started.Touche.
But I would still believe in something related to a deity, correct?
In certain circumstances a believer will accept even that, for a time.
The point is
If you think God is behind door A but then you are shown He is definitely not behind door C, do you switch your choice to door B?
Or not?
While an intelligent invocation of God to refute an argument for belief in that God, I find your tone depressing.
Pretty sure the Christian god emphasizes punishing people who worship other deities more than those who don't worship any at all. Kinda flips out about it, actually.
Well it depend how you understand what it is you're trying to find. If you want the truth about reality, then that would include possibilities like humanistic atheism, nihilistic atheism, or believing we are in the matrix.
So you might not believe in a deity in that case.
Either way, I wouldn't say that randomly picking belief systems is a good way to live life, or get to the truth.
So you're not thinking of putting Jesus, Dionysus, and Thor in the three boxes, but something like theism, atheism, and deism? You'd then ask someone to pick a box in which the meaning of life resides. They pick one, then you expose one of the remaining boxes, and out pops deism. At that point, you'd have to explain why deism is a false. How would you do that? I think you're left where you started.
...or I'm just not getting this
The Christian God?
I switch to door C.
Unlike most Christians I do not suffer from extreme hubris and I have read Scripture.
If Pascal is what motivated you to believe then it should be depressing.
I am only proposing that we examine the idea of a being with an intimate knowledge of our motivations.
Is treating belief like a game where I bet for my personal gain going to satisfy such a being?
I say obviously not. It is much more likely to be very insulting.
To increase your chances of getting the door with God and dying as soon as you see Him?
Yes but you beg the question.
If you say its an insult, you are obviously implying that you know what God thinks and that you have therefore found Him.
But if you have found God, why wouldn't you share how you found Him?
Why would you immediately insist that everyone not do, what you just did?
I just mean that in order to keep the conversation going, a believer will at least say they can see how one god is like another (to begin with - let's not kid ourselves here (selah)).
Are you saying it would be wrong to choose one of the doors at all, if there was a chance you would end up with the wrong God?
Sometimes you lose, is that your point?
I think this is sanguine, but if it points to the failure of deism, don't you think that in the context of other religions and not the desirability of finding God - which was the original example - is more of a warning that tolerance can fail even something perfect?
You have to understand that I provided an example and a context and a lesson to be learned from that context, by shaping the nature of the choice provided. If you distort that, you get varied perspectives on the truth but not necessarily the point. The point is, I don't think that negates the point, it just stresses that the lesson being learned may change.
]You are neglecting that God is good.[/b]
He is not merely an argument that can be refuted or denied.
This is a false dichotomy. Whether or not God appears to existence to me, and my personal depth don't depend on one another.So choose, either you are shallow or there is a God who can be approached logically and as an exercise of the will.
I get the feeling people are not interested in grasping the principle, specifically "God", specifically "increasing your chances of finding Him".
Unless you misconstrue what I said, what I said shows that there is a good reason to believe that there is a) a probability of believing something
and b) a real possibility that that something is God and therefore
c) we are obliged to do what we can to make that possibility a reality.
I know it doesn't make you comfortable, but disbelieving in God is not simply a case of hating some disliked hologram of God that you've created or anyone that associates with it, it's actually a matter of saying "well no, since I don't want to find God, there are certain things that would mean I would ultimately find Him, that I must at all costs avoid and even fear, maybe even to the point that I lose my soul"
You can always pray - a few wasted words never hurt anyone - but how likely is it that even that won't change something?
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