God is GOOD...not bad.

[FrankFaith]

There is a great difference between good and bad...that some folks do not understand--or choose not to accept. If they knew the God of the Bible, they would know that He does not inflict sickness or disease upon His people to chasten or teach. There is no instance in the Word ANYWHERE of Him doing this...to His people...to chasten or teach.

Bring it...so others can see the Truth.

These folks aren't just mistaken--they actively, purposefully promote anti-faith and purposefully steal others' hope for healing for their own selfish, prideful purposes.

Amazing but true.

Let's have it--start posting all of the many, many times when God:

a. inflicted sickness or disease on His people (believers)
b. for the purpose of teaching or chastening.

We're waiting...

...and by the way, DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT--JUST POST ALL OF YOUR MANY, MANY REFERENCES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

 

[Elijah2]

Mate we live in the last days of perilous time of seduction and deception through the doctrine of demons of empty deceit, the philosophy of the world, and not according to our Lord Jesus Christ. SO what's new?

 

[FrankFaith]

Mate we live in the last days of perilous time of seduction and deception through the doctrine of demons of empty deceit, the philosophy of the world, and not according to our Lord Jesus Christ. SO what's new?

Thank you for the encouragement--I NEED IT! I'm just so tired of visiting here and seeing others being led astray ON PURPOSE by people who ought to know better but have chosen instead to justify their every action and chosen belief at the expense and peril of others for their own prideful selfishness. It's sick, sick, SICK!!!

Bless you, bro, and thanks again!

 

[Elijah2]

Thank you for the encouragement--I NEED IT! I'm just so tired of visiting here and seeing others being led astray ON PURPOSE by people who ought to know better but have chosen instead to justify their every action and chosen belief at the expense and peril of others for their own prideful selfishness. It's sick, sick, SICK!!!

Bless you, bro, and thanks again!

Ah well mate, the old roaring lion has been doing a lot of devouring since 1994 and then again in 2002. His scoreboard reads: Satan 200,000,000,000,000 to 144,000.

 

[MaxP]

He made the Israelites stay in the desert for 40 years because they worshiped the golden calf.

 

[KleinerApfel]

He made the Israelites stay in the desert for 40 years because they worshiped the golden calf.

I'm not so sure those two things are directly connected - the idolatry and the 40 years wandering. Hmm... I need to re-read that.

But anyway, I think you'll find that throughout that time of wandering they ate and were satisfied, they flourished, they were never sick, and even their clothes didn't wear out.

 

[FrankFaith]

He made the Israelites stay in the desert for 40 years because they worshiped the golden calf.

Please read the OP. This is not a thread to dispute the need for a good father to discipline his children. Discipline, teaching and chastening are good things that fathers do to/for their children.

Once again--start posting scripture references for all of the many, many times when God:

a. inflicted sickness or disease on His people (believers)
b. for the purpose of teaching or chastening.

We're waiting...

...and by the way, DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT--JUST POST ALL OF YOUR MANY, MANY REFERENCES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

 

[FrankFaith]

That's what I thought.

Let this be proof for those of you who have bought into this blasphemy.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

When people start redefining words they can prove anything they want. Eventually they redefine God Himself. God is portrayed as a a murderer, a child abuser, and a liar. People accuse Him of horrible things for the sole purpose of validating and authenticating their own "faith." It is more important to feel good about themselves and their faith than it is to present their Father as the loving perfect Father that He is. Essentially their faith is perfect, God is not.

There is a great difference between good and bad...that some folks do not understand--or choose not to accept. If they knew the God of the Bible, they would know that He does not inflict sickness or disease upon His people to chasten or teach. There is no instance in the Word ANYWHERE of Him doing this...to His people...to chasten or teach.

Bring it...so others can see the Truth.

These folks aren't just mistaken--they actively, purposefully promote anti-faith and purposefully steal others' hope for healing for their own selfish, prideful purposes.

Amazing but true.

Let's have it--start posting all of the many, many times when God:

a. inflicted sickness or disease on His people (believers)
b. for the purpose of teaching or chastening.

We're waiting...

...and by the way, DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT--JUST POST ALL OF YOUR MANY, MANY REFERENCES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

 

[FrankFaith]

Well said. Thanks for your post, Dids.

 

[NaLuvena]

There is a great difference between good and bad...that some folks do not understand--or choose not to accept. If they knew the God of the Bible, they would know that He does not inflict sickness or disease upon His people to chasten or teach. There is no instance in the Word ANYWHERE of Him doing this...to His people...to chasten or teach.

Bring it...so others can see the Truth.

These folks aren't just mistaken--they actively, purposefully promote anti-faith and purposefully steal others' hope for healing for their own selfish, prideful purposes.

Amazing but true.

Let's have it--start posting all of the many, many times when God:

a. inflicted sickness or disease on His people (believers)
b. for the purpose of teaching or chastening.

We're waiting...

...and by the way, DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT--JUST POST ALL OF YOUR MANY, MANY REFERENCES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

Numbers 12

1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2 "Has the LORD spoken only through Moses?" they asked. "Hasn't he also spoken through us?" And the LORD heard this. 3 (Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)
4 At once the LORD said to Moses, Aaron and Miriam, "Come out to the Tent of Meeting, all three of you." So the three of them came out. 5 Then the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the Tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When both of them stepped forward, 6 he said, "Listen to my words:
"When a prophet of the LORD is among you,
I reveal myself to him in visions,
I speak to him in dreams.
7 But this is not true of my servant Moses;
he is faithful in all my house.
8 With him I speak face to face,
clearly and not in riddles;
he sees the form of the LORD.
Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?"
9 The anger of the LORD burned against them, and he left them.
10 When the cloud lifted from above the Tent, there stood Miriam—leprous, like snow. Aaron turned toward her and saw that she had leprosy; 11 and he said to Moses, "Please, my lord, do not hold against us the sin we have so foolishly committed. 12 Do not let her be like a stillborn infant coming from its mother's womb with its flesh half eaten away."
13 So Moses cried out to the LORD, "O God, please heal her!"
14 The LORD replied to Moses, "If her father had spit in her face, would she not have been in disgrace for seven days? Confine her outside the camp for seven days; after that she can be brought back." 15 So Miriam was confined outside the camp for seven days, and the people did not move on till she was brought back.

2 Samuel 2410 David was conscience-stricken after he had counted the fighting men, and he said to the LORD, "I have sinned greatly in what I have done. Now, O LORD, I beg you, take away the guilt of your servant. I have done a very foolish thing." 11 Before David got up the next morning, the word of the LORD had come to Gad the prophet, David's seer: 12 "Go and tell David, 'This is what the LORD says: I am giving you three options. Choose one of them for me to carry out against you.' "
13 So Gad went to David and said to him, "Shall there come upon you three years of famine in your land? Or three months of fleeing from your enemies while they pursue you? Or three days of plague in your land? Now then, think it over and decide how I should answer the one who sent me."
14 David said to Gad, "I am in deep distress. Let us fall into the hands of the LORD, for his mercy is great; but do not let me fall into the hands of men."
15 So the LORD sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died. 16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the LORD was grieved because of the calamity and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, "Enough! Withdraw your hand." The angel of the LORD was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
17 When David saw the angel who was striking down the people, he said to the LORD, "I am the one who has sinned and done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done? Let your hand fall upon me and my family."


Basically, your position is not supported by scripture. There are numerous occasions where God inflicted sickness, disease and even death to chasten or teach His people.

 

[Cassidy]

I agree with you!

Although I wonder if he may ALLOW certain things in order to strengthen or test?

Look at Job...God didn't make him sick...he just allowed Satan to make him sick, knowing full well where Job's faith was and what it would prove to us today.

 

[FrankFaith]

She was a Cushite. Please read the OP.

What part of sickness or disease do you not understand? The best you can come up with here is pestilence to the land. Check your translation.

Is the best we can come up with?! Surely God has used sickness or disease to chasten or teach repeatedly--because this is the only way you could support such a radical, slanted view of God's real charactor!

Who's next? Step right up--please no pushing or shoving--let's form a single-file line!

 

[HoneyComb Son]

Hey all, grats to the starter of this thread, I am too tired of coming here only to see people teach the suffering doctrine, I too lost joy and hope. I too became confused on the definition of good and the definition of bad, as in all honestly, Christians though not with direct words, teach in essence that suffering etc sickness bad things are of good value as Gods tools to teach correct etc or the otherwise

I want all to know how much you can hurt someone with what you say, Jesus meant what He said, I am not sure on the entire words of it all, but like every little word counts, what you teach, the words you say, can either bring life or death to someone,

I for one am a victim of false doctrine, suffering doctrine, I listened whole heartily to many believers honestly trying to help me, in reality God bless them for their love and patience. But also I know now that there was also something behind what I was told and saw

what i got from people and from online and from my experiences, we alot of Christians teach love and grace, patience forgiveness, and God's goodness, but in reality, there own words contradict what they say and teach, the message and heart of what is said, is of God and suffering, how He uses it to teach or correct us, I suck at wording, but its essence is of bad value, I see this now from all what i have been through.

Now I am declaring, I am too tired of hearing this manipulation, this false stuff. I am tired of coming on here and seeing Good called bad, and bad called good,

that is what I get, that is what we Christians are doing, I see it all the time. Good is good bad is bad. evil is evil. where do we draw the line, when did we start calling sickness a tool of righteous, when did we call suffering a good thing?

in my spirit and heart, i feel such torement over this.. we Christians should do what Jesus did. heal and set free!..

I dont know the words for what i want to say, I am so saddened with alot of my own brothers and sisters teach about this subject, I can see not a heart of love out of it, it comes from a selfish motive, I know I am not wrong in this, I can see it, how much more God can.

hurting lost sheep are gone because of us are own kind, they were looking for healing, they came to us, for they thought surely Gods people must bring goodness and love, yet alot or not healed, learn things that bring no joy nor peace, but only a acceptance of pain and suffering as God's will. the lost sheep are driven further away from God, with a distortion of goodness.

I hope we learn to honestly love, and honestly give up our pride and know what is truly good. but i know that will not happen

 

[Cassidy]

Who's next? Step right up--please no pushing or shoving--let's form a single-file line!

Is that crickets I hear chirping?? LOL

 

[NaLuvena]

She was a Cushite. Please read the OP.

What part of sickness or disease do you not understand? The best you can come up with here is pestilence to the land. Check your translation.

Is the best we can come up with?! Surely God has used sickness or disease to chasten or teach repeatedly--because this is the only way you could support such a radical, slanted view of God's real charactor!

Who's next? Step right up--please no pushing or shoving--let's form a single-file line!

Firstly, what does Moses' wife being a Cushite have to do with anything? If you use this to say that she was not one of God's people, this was the daughter of Jethro, who offered sacrifices to God, and with whom Aaron and all the elders of Israel broke bread, in the presence of God on their travels through the wilderness.

God inflicted Miriam with leprosy, because she (along with Aaron) spoke against Moses, because of his Cushite wife. When they repented, God healed her (after 7 days).

Unless, you hold that leprosy is not a disease.

David lost 70,000 men because he took a census. If you read the 2 Samuel 24, this is what the first verse says:

2 Samuel 24

1 Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."

The bible records a lot of incidences where God does inflict sickness, disease, death and suffering to teach and correct His people. If you think that God does not do this, then your view of God is slanted.

 

[Elijah2]

Please read the OP. This is not a thread to dispute the need for a good father to discipline his children. Discipline, teaching and chastening are good things that fathers do to/for their children.

Once again--start posting scripture references for all of the many, many times when God:

a. inflicted sickness or disease on His people (believers)
b. for the purpose of teaching or chastening.

We're waiting...

...and by the way, DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT--JUST POST ALL OF YOUR MANY, MANY REFERENCES THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA.

Well mate, lets redefine this thread. Are you talking about OT or NT? You did say "His People", then added "believers", so I guess you are talking about NT times?

Well Paul was inflicted with a messenger from Satan!

 

[SavedByGrace3]

He made the Israelites stay in the desert for 40 years because they worshiped the golden calf.

Actually they had to wander in the wilderness for 40 years because they refused to accept the good testimony of Joshua and Caleb concerning the promise land that was running with milk and honey. Joshua basically said "we are well able to take this land that God has given us." The other 10 spies brought up an evil report about the land and dissuaded the people from believing God. So God turned them away and they all died in the wilderness... except of course Caleb and Joshua, who went into the promised land because they believed God and made a good confession.

We see thing happening today where people (even believers!) raise up an evil report about the promises of God such as healing and overcoming sin.
We are well able to receive the things that God has given us. They are ours!


Numbers 13:29-32 KJV
(29) The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites, and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
(30) And Caleb stilled the people before Moses, and said, Let us go up at once, and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it.
(31) But the men that went up with him said, We be not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we.
(32) And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying, The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature.

 

[Elijah2]

Hey all, grats to the starter of this thread, I am too tired of coming here only to see people teach the suffering doctrine, I too lost joy and hope. I too became confused on the definition of good and the definition of bad, as in all honestly, Christians though not with direct words, teach in essence that suffering etc sickness bad things are of good value as Gods tools to teach correct etc or the otherwise

I want all to know how much you can hurt someone with what you say, Jesus meant what He said, I am not sure on the entire words of it all, but like every little word counts, what you teach, the words you say, can either bring life or death to someone,

I for one am a victim of false doctrine, suffering doctrine, I listened whole heartily to many believers honestly trying to help me, in reality God bless them for their love and patience. But also I know now that there was also something behind what I was told and saw

what i got from people and from online and from my experiences, we alot of Christians teach love and grace, patience forgiveness, and God's goodness, but in reality, there own words contradict what they say and teach, the message and heart of what is said, is of God and suffering, how He uses it to teach or correct us, I suck at wording, but its essence is of bad value, I see this now from all what i have been through.

Now I am declaring, I am too tired of hearing this manipulation, this false stuff. I am tired of coming on here and seeing Good called bad, and bad called good,

that is what I get, that is what we Christians are doing, I see it all the time. Good is good bad is bad. evil is evil. where do we draw the line, when did we start calling sickness a tool of righteous, when did we call suffering a good thing?

in my spirit and heart, i feel such torement over this.. we Christians should do what Jesus did. heal and set free!..

I dont know the words for what i want to say, I am so saddened with alot of my own brothers and sisters teach about this subject, I can see not a heart of love out of it, it comes from a selfish motive, I know I am not wrong in this, I can see it, how much more God can.

hurting lost sheep are gone because of us are own kind, they were looking for healing, they came to us, for they thought surely Gods people must bring goodness and love, yet alot or not healed, learn things that bring no joy nor peace, but only a acceptance of pain and suffering as God's will. the lost sheep are driven further away from God, with a distortion of goodness.

I hope we learn to honestly love, and honestly give up our pride and know what is truly good. but i know that will not happen

Mate, that is what life is like at the coalface of the last days of perilous times. All the false doctrine you experienced is the doctrine of demons that has been spread throughout the Body of Christ, which is a SICKNESS, but no inflicted by our Lord Jesus Christ, but allowing Satan to do his thing.

When HIS Children returns to His Inspired Word and stop feeding all this new age gospel, then the Body will get back onto track in doing His Will, Plans, and Desires.

Blessings

 

[NaLuvena]

Hey all, grats to the starter of this thread, I am too tired of coming here only to see people teach the suffering doctrine, I too lost joy and hope. I too became confused on the definition of good and the definition of bad, as in all honestly, Christians though not with direct words, teach in essence that suffering etc sickness bad things are of good value as Gods tools to teach correct etc or the otherwise

I want all to know how much you can hurt someone with what you say, Jesus meant what He said, I am not sure on the entire words of it all, but like every little word counts, what you teach, the words you say, can either bring life or death to someone,

I for one am a victim of false doctrine, suffering doctrine, I listened whole heartily to many believers honestly trying to help me, in reality God bless them for their love and patience. But also I know now that there was also something behind what I was told and saw

what i got from people and from online and from my experiences, we alot of Christians teach love and grace, patience forgiveness, and God's goodness, but in reality, there own words contradict what they say and teach, the message and heart of what is said, is of God and suffering, how He uses it to teach or correct us, I suck at wording, but its essence is of bad value, I see this now from all what i have been through.

Now I am declaring, I am too tired of hearing this manipulation, this false stuff. I am tired of coming on here and seeing Good called bad, and bad called good,

that is what I get, that is what we Christians are doing, I see it all the time. Good is good bad is bad. evil is evil. where do we draw the line, when did we start calling sickness a tool of righteous, when did we call suffering a good thing?

in my spirit and heart, i feel such torement over this.. we Christians should do what Jesus did. heal and set free!..

I dont know the words for what i want to say, I am so saddened with alot of my own brothers and sisters teach about this subject, I can see not a heart of love out of it, it comes from a selfish motive, I know I am not wrong in this, I can see it, how much more God can.

hurting lost sheep are gone because of us are own kind, they were looking for healing, they came to us, for they thought surely Gods people must bring goodness and love, yet alot or not healed, learn things that bring no joy nor peace, but only a acceptance of pain and suffering as God's will. the lost sheep are driven further away from God, with a distortion of goodness.

I hope we learn to honestly love, and honestly give up our pride and know what is truly good. but i know that will not happen

Why do you say that suffering is bad?

Romans 8:17-18
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

1 Peter 4:12-13

Dear friends, do not be surprised at the painful trial you are suffering, as though something strange were happening to you.
But rejoice that you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed.

If you do not suffer, then you will not share in Christ's glory.