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I feel like I've answered that question.I was asking was God able to move, think, or do anything before time existed? Was he akin to the video recording left on pause?
K
I feel like I've answered that question.
God did not need to think from eternity because He already knew everything there was to be known. I have heard the state of eternalness that God existed in prior to the universe as compared to a man sitting in a chair from eternity. The man does not stand up from his chair but remains sitting until he decides otherwise.
I would say that fairly describes my view, but there is technically no "before" time. you see what I'm saying? As that would imply a moment in time. I prefer to say God existed causally prior or without the universe and so time, even though one may not really see the difference.Okay let me see if I've got this straight:
God existed before time, but he didnh't do anything; sorta like a person on a video left on pause. then when he did decide to do something and create, at that moment time began and all the things he did the concept of time can be applied to those moments. Is that correct?
Ken
Maybe you could explain what "creating" means in the context? How can an entity that creates (or acts, in general) possibly be unchanging and outside time?If someone hasn't already mentioned.
God is constant is what makes God outside time. Time is a measurement of change and if you don't change, you are outside or unaffected by time.
Creating (if applying the common definitions) is an act. An act changes the acting entity - at least in that it changes it from an entity that is about to act to an entity that has acted.Im not sure exactly what you are asking.
A temporary action you could say would change the entity but if the action is constant, then what change is expected in the entity?Creating (if applying the common definitions) is an act. An act changes the acting entity - at least in that it changes it from an entity that is about to act to an entity that has acted.
It's not in the absence of time. Time isn't anything real for it to be absent or present. They aren't working from an Einstein perspective of time being like a dimension in space, if that is how you are trying to visualize it. God is constant and unchanging, unlike the world which was seen as constantly changing, this is why God is considered outside time, because it isn't in the same flux of change.If an entity is said to act/create in the absence of time and remain unchanged I don´t know what "acting/creating" might possibly mean.
Prove it, but before you do that, you first need to prove that your God is even real.God is constant and unchanging
Prove it? How would you prove a constant in the universe?Prove it, but before you do that, you first need to prove that your God is even real.
You are the one who made the claim so that’s your problem. Again, prove it. If you cannot establish the validity or truth of your claims then why should anyone believe you?Prove it? How would you prove a constant in the universe?
It's not about believing, it's about understanding. Do you understand the problem of asking for proof for something that is constant in the universe?You are the one who made the claim so thats your problem. Again, prove it. If you cannot establish the validity or truth of your claims then why should anyone believe you?
No, I see no problem in asking people to prove their claims are true. Can you prove that the Christian God is constant and unchanging or not? If you are going to tell us its impossible to prove then obviously your claim has no support. If that is the case then why did you make that unsupported claim?Do you understand the problem of asking for proof for something that is constant in the universe?
I can't prove there is a God of any understanding.No, I see no problem in asking people to prove their claims are true. Can you prove that the Christian God is constant and unchanging or not? If you are going to tell us its impossible to prove then obviously your claim has no support. If that is the case then why did you make that unsupported claim?
So you cannot prove that the Christian God is constant and unchanging or even that it is real.I can't prove there is a God of any understanding.
But the reason asking for proof of a God that is constant is silly talk, is that we can only perceive what is flux due to the limitations of our senses. If there was a constant in the universe, we would have no way to perceive it in order to prove it. Empirical evidence only extends to what changes.
Nope. I can't prove constants. Do you understand why?So you cannot prove that the Christian God is constant and unchanging or even that it is real.
Again, why did you make the unsupported claim that the Christian God is constant and unchanging and why should anyone believe your claims?
In this case, you cannot prove the Christian God is constant and unchanging because you cannot even prove it is real.Nope. I can't prove constants. Do you understand why?
What use is an explanation based on a claim that cant be proven? If someone told you that the reason ghosts are transparent is because they are vibrating at tremendous speeds, would you think that explanation was reasonable or useful? Would you believe that persons claims?The reason I made the claim was to explain the outside of time concept the OP was asking about. Not to try to prove something I know can't be proven.
Like an image on a paused video recorder would be the closer example. There is nowhere for God to move to, we move within God. There is no other function for God to do other than the function God did from the start.ElijahW
Im not sure what you mean when you say dont change do you mean to not move, think, or function in any way? Akin to a video recorder left on pause? Or do you mean to have the same character, essence, perspective etc. today as you had yesterday.
If the former, then how did God create? If the latter, than how do you conclude that time only applies to those that change? Your claim makes no sense to me; please explain.
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