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God Evolved
Alpha First Beginning


Isaiah 44:6
“This is what the Lord says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
“Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I have called: I am he; I am the first and I am the last.

Revelation 1:8
I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created. From the Subatomic and the primordial Dark Matter. A type of nothing, because it has no atomic bonds to form anything. God created gravity and gravitons to form the atomic elements of this Universe.

Dark Matter is undifferentiated material which has no atomic bonds, this would make it of no particular substance. In other words, it is Nothing. And if you are willing to accept it, it is primordial, and God's store house for creating the universe from "Nothing."

Dark Matter is accepted by the mainstream scientific community. The existence and properties of dark matter are inferred from its gravitational effects on visible matter, on radiation, and on the large-scale structure of the universe. The presence of dark matter in the universe, including gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies and, more recently, the pattern of anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background.

According to cosmologists, dark matter is composed primarily of a not yet characterized type of subatomic particle.

The belief that God created from nothing comes from the Ramban comments on Genesis: www.sefaria.org/Ramban_on_Genesis.1.1?lang=en&layout=lines&sidebarLang=all

Dark Matter: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter


The missing links are missing because life did not evolve in this Universe.

Isaiah 43:10. "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD (Yahwah), "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. Before me no god formed, nor will there be one after me.


The key is the word "formed." Absolutely anything that has no beginning does not exist. God says that He is the FIRST AND THE LAST. Therefore He Began. That is why His name means "Life Began."


Astronomers detect dark matter though the effect of its gravity on the path that light takes as it crosses the Universe. As light travels through a region of dark matter, its path gets distorted by gravity. Instead of taking a straight line, the light is bent back and forth depending on how much dark matter is passes through.

Astronomers can map out regions of dark matter in the sky just by looking at the distortions in the light, and then working backwards to figure out how much intervening dark matter would need to be there to cause it.

After the creation of the Universe the Earth was later created by God. Before there was a firmament it was a formless body of water. The bible does not state how much time had passed before the creation of the Earth.


God says that no god formed before Him. He also states that none will form after Him, meaning that the element to the forming is no longer available. The word "form" would not have been used if it were not a condition.
 

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Aren't you using your conclusion as a premise here? I mean, wouldn't I already have to believe scripture to accept the quotations you provided in the beginning of the post? And if I already did accept scripture, then what's the relevance of invoking dark matter at all when I'd already believe in god?
 
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Everyone believes what they want, but for those who are able to accept it; God was the "BEGINNING OF LIFE."
 
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Cherub Ram...

In my view the creation is a continuous process.. and we may be evolving and progressing through God's mercy but God is not evolving as you suggest...
God took His form long ago. The oldest life forums on this planet are the same today as they were from the beginning.
 
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The proof that God exist is in the fact that spontaneous evolution of life is not possible in this universe. God evolved, then He created.
It seems that you're using "God" to refer specifically to the Abrahamic God, correct? It's quite a leap of logic to say that because there must have been an instigating force, this particular deity is responsible for it.
 
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It seems that you're using "God" to refer specifically to the Abrahamic God, correct? It's quite a leap of logic to say that because there must have been an instigating force, this particular deity is responsible for it.
Man made gods of wood and stone do not count as any real god. Before Yahwah there was no god, nor has any came after Him.
 
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Cherub Ram...

In my view the creation is a continuous process.. and we may be evolving and progressing through God's mercy but God is not evolving as you suggest...
That is an assumption on your part, no one knows; and that is the truth.
 
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Man made gods of wood and stone do not count as any real god. Before Yahwah there was no god, nor has any came after Him.
That doesn't address my comment. The leap of logic persists.
 
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That doesn't address my comment. The leap of logic persists.
Our scripture states that Yahwah our God is the instigating force. If that is something you do not want to believe, then this thread is not for you.
 
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Man made gods of wood and stone do not count as any real god. Before Yahwah there was no god, nor has any came after Him.

"Thou art formless; your only form is our knowledge of You." Lines from the Hindu Scriptures, older than any word of the Bible, which appears to encourage the thought that "the heathen in his blindness bows down to wood and stone".

Oh dear!
 
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Our scripture states that Yahwah our God is the instigating force. If that is something you do not want to believe, then this thread is not for you.
I was under the impression that you posted your thoughts to offer them up for discussion. That's usually what threads are for.
It wasn't nothing if God already existed.
 
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"Thou art formless; your only form is our knowledge of You." Lines from the Hindu Scriptures, older than any word of the Bible, which appears to encourage the thought that "the heathen in his blindness bows down to wood and stone".

Oh dear!
It is my understanding that the Chinese year dates do not reflect the correct time. Their dating system was introduced to make it appear that Buddha lived before Christ.
 
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Cherub Ram...

In my view the creation is a continuous process.. and we may be evolving and progressing through God's mercy but God is not evolving as you suggest...

Right.

God is a generator, like infinity. In Him is contained everything that can possibly be, and everything that ever was. He doesn't evolve, rather He generates evolution of all creation. Growth. Learning. Power. Ability. Things He does not need to get better at, or evolve into because He generates their evolution.


Likewise with infinity, it isn't a number, it generates the entirety of space - negative, positive, real, complex. It isn't a number in and of itself; it generates space - a completely different class so to speak. That is why for practical reasons only limits of infinity and zero (1/infinity) exist. (And, yes even though the difference between the same well-rounded numbers is said to be zero, this is still a limit.)

Simpler, perfection does not need to evolve, otherwise the underlying context is that the previous state was not perfect - or there is a devolution
 
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I was under the impression that you posted your thoughts to offer them up for discussion. That's usually what threads are for.

It wasn't nothing if God already existed.
It seems that the element to make life possible was rare, and that it is no longer available so that any other could form afterward. What was a non-element, became an element on the sub-atomic level. This universe is made from the un-differetiated sub-atomic matter; the primordial matter for forming the atomic world.
 
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It is my understanding that the Chinese year dates do not reflect the correct time. Their dating system was introduced to make it appear that Buddha lived before Christ.

I would suggest that your understanding is wrong.

The people of India never used a Chinese year system ( as far as I am aware ) and after 45 years or so of reading regarding the Buddhist Faith I have never found anyone who suggested in any way that the Buddha did not live prior to Christ ( Jesus ) But then, I am unable to see what that would have to do with the quote I gave from the Hindu Scriptures.

Current scholarship seems to support the claim that the first Hindu texts ( Vedas ) pre-date the OT.
 
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It is believed that the oldest Vedas were written about 1500 BC. And Moses who wrote the first book Genesis dates to also about 1500 BC. However, the book of Job (1560 BC) is older; and the astrological markings and stories in Egypt are believed to have come from Enoch (2967 BC), handed down to Joseph.
 
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Well, when you speak of Moses writing Genesis you leave mainline scholarship behind.

Again, my understanding is that all the major texts/scriptures of the main Faiths had a long oral tradition prior to being written down. During this time they were subject to a greater or lesser degree of change/amendment/addition/subtraction.
The exact dates they were first put down in writing are not known for certain, but again mainline scholarship seems to support the view that the Vedas precedes the OT.

You are obviously entitled to think otherwise, but given the fact that your first response to my initial post here was virtually incoherent as a response to the significance of my words, I will sign off and leave you to it.

Thanks for the chat.
 
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And Moses who wrote the first book Genesis dates to also about 1500 BC.
I've never seen any source that says any part of it was written earlier than 1,000 BCE, and it's most likely that it was much later than that. From where are you getting this?
 
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It is presumed that Joshua and other priest added to the books of Moses.
 
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