God does ALL the saving for sinners like me!

[JesusChristisallineed]

God's day to you everyone!

This is my story, this is my song:

D.O.B. (physical) 09-25-1979

2D.O.B. (...of water (Scripture) and Spirit) 01-17-2000 (Martin Luther King Jr. B-day)

"According to the Scripture": I am sinner, being born one in Adam, and depraved by nature, to later by conciously sin by breaking God's Law by choosing to commit acts of sin, in violation of my consicence, given to natural man, made in God's image, therby showing Genesis to be true. I without Christ am held responsible for being a sinner, like Adam, and yet without power to change, or be saved within myself. I, therefore, am doomed with the rest of humanity to the Second Death, the Lake of Fire justly, deserving to recieve the wages of my sin, which is death = seperation from God for eternity in conscious torment. For without the shed blood, death, burial, resurrection, and ascencion of The Lord Jesus Christ.,
there is nothing to set me apart from the next man, and we are all made out of the same stuff. I am the "chief of sinners"

"According to the Scripture" The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation, to everyone (all sinners) that believeth. God the Father sent His Son to earth "in due time" to "provide Himself a Lamb" The Lord Jesus Christ, God in the Flesh, born of a virgin, formed by The Holy Ghost, who therby lived a sinless and spotless life, as the Lamb of God, according to God's Law, so as to give his Holy Blood and Self on Golgotha , uncontaminated by Adams inherent genetic and moral transgression, that condems us all to Hell, to wash my sins away, and to be my propitiation to remit my sins. He gave His Holy Life in my place of the Curse of Breaking God's Law. He now though, stands resurrected, at the right hand of God, His Father, and intercedes for me, in His office of High Priest of all men to God. He has done this for all men, of every age, specially of those that believe.

"According to the Scriptures" I am now justified from my sins on the basis of The Finished Work (The Gospel) of The Lord Jesus Christ, because I trust Him as my Salvation and Life, and therby have everlasting life. My faith is resting upon what He did, not anything of myself, experience, feeling, or otherwise "according to the Scriptures" with imperfect faith, that He makes perfect, that will always unto eternity, work in my heart by His Spirit, by His Scripture. Facts produces faith. Scriptural facts produces biblical faith, with which biblical feelings follow.

"According to the Scriptures" my faith = believe = trust in Jesus Christ has wrought access to my salvation and life. "According to the Scriptures" this true faith has been evidenced by the repentance he has wrought in me, by turning from my way, myself, and loving sin, to a changed life, in and from Christ, not myself, but by His Spirit dwelling within me. I am therby saved, born-again, regenerated.

"According to the Scriptures"As the Second Adam, The Lord Jesus Christ has brought me out of my dead state and just condemnation through His Perfect Gospel Life, and I am one in Him with God, at the Right hand of the Father, inheritor of all things, that belong to my "Husband", "Vine" and "Head", The Lord Jesus Christ.

Now "According to the Scriptures" Christ has made me a Bible-founded, Blood-bought, Spirit-born (again) child of my Heavenly Father, never to be

Now "According to the Scriptures" I have been positionally counted dead and buried in Christ, on the cross, as He my Second Adam, to the Law, to my sins and sin nature, and to myself.

Now "According to the Scriptures" I am resurrected, ascended, and seatted IN Christ at the right hand of God (thats the TRUE FULL GOSPEL), and work from that victorious position that is mine in Christ Jesus, towards the inheritance and crowns laid up for me.

"According to the Scriptures" what has happened to me, He does this for His Elect, but ALL are invited to be "born-again", "saved" "regenerated" "according to the Scriptures" His election is based on an unknowable factor to humans (foreknowledge), so as to leave all men the chance to be saved, and responsible for their own destruction, if they are not, because the Lake of Fire was "prepared for the devil and his angels"

Now "According to the Scripture" I am a Soverign Grace, growing in the grace and knowledge (intellectual and experiential) Classic Pauline Dispensational, Independent, Fundamental, Soul-winning, Textus Receptus studying and using, Baptistic beleiever.

I am "Looking unto Jesus, the Author and Finisher of OUR faith" because "Ye are DEAD, and your LIFE is hidden with Christ, in God"!! I love you all, because of His love.


I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Dead, yet Alive In Christ.

JesusChristisallineed

 

[AndOne]

Welcome to the boards brother!

You will find that most on this particular subset of CF will disagree with the conversion process you described. We believe that God choose you first. Then he gives you faith - then you believe. There is no basis in scripture for your definition of election i.e. foreknowledge.

Hey - my birthday is September 25 too.. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

Welcome to the boards brother!

You will find that most on this particular subset of CF will disagree with the conversion process you described. We believe that God choose you first. Then he gives you faith - then you believe. There is no basis in scripture for your definition of election i.e. foreknowledge.

Hey - my birthday is September 25 too.. MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Ah, but read carefully, I agree with Calvinism on Total Depravity (of all men), Unconditional Election for the Saints (but God does not in the Scripture elect people to Hell, they go on their own through rejection of Jesus Christ and His Finished Work, because hell was prepared for the devil and his angels, and the non elect will refuse salvation anyway), Iresistable Grace (for the Elect), Resistable Grace (for the Non-Elect) and Preservation of the Saints resulting in Perserverance, (because Jesus Saves! not us) I am called a Calvinist by everyone except hyper-Calvinists. They call everyone else an Arminian. I am a OLD FASHIONED Plymouth Brethern type Gracer.


Side Note: "In effective Biblcal Evangelism you MUST use God's Law to show the lost , elect or not, that they are indeed wicked sinners, on the way to the Secodn Death, using the Law to show sin "exceedingly sinful", so they God's Holiness is maginfied and his sentence just.

Then they are ready to hear Grace.

I disagree on Limited Atonement and the "salvo ordous", like Spurgeon and Bunyan, because the Bible message of the Gospel of the grace of God is clear to all even though many are called, few are chosen. Amen?

"According to the Scripture" in order of salvation God the Father has chosen (not based on faith, because He gives it in Christ), and God the Son draws ALL, to some degree. Hence "Resistable Grace for the non-elect, but Iresistable Grace for the Elect" Everyone is called, and then the Elect are chosen, because they already were. And when they are called, they by the drawing of God, and preaching of the Gospel, through faith/repentance given to them by God, through the Scriptures, they trust Christ as their Saviour. When through the drawing of God and Christ, by his Spirit of the Elect shows them by God's Law and conscience to be lost sinners (you have to get lost before you can get saved), puts the Gospel in front of them, the elect sheep repents/beleieves, ALL ON ONE SINGULAR MOMENTS NOTICE IS FAITH/REPENTANCE, ONE IS REGENERATED AKA BORN AGAIN!

Thats the Bible order, not logical man-order, and Salavtion is STILL ALL OF GOD, and not of man!

Glory!

The reason God does it this way is because God holds ALL RESPONSIBLE for their depravity, even though we are powerless to change (Totaly Depraved). That this responsibility without power is different from so-called "free-will" because it brings the just second death on every sinner, and those that refused salvation in Christ were not elect, but still responsible for their own choice, that God gave them. God gives the options and empowers His elect to faith since he gives it, and the rest he leaves to their own depraved choice, which is death.

Amen! Thats what happend to me! And I was a lost demon-possessed charismatic prophet, and being God's elect one, He saved me anyway!

I find Scripture to be more true, when men, even Calvin, Bonar, or anyone else fails in their logic to line up with God's Word.



I am a Soverign Grace Dispensationalist
In the KJV: "The Faith of Jesus Christ, unto all and upon all who believe" in Romans and Galatians is the faith he (Christ Jesus) gives us and then we believe

 

[Elderone]

I could go into a lengthy answer concerning your post but it is my contention others learn and retain things better if they read it for themselves, and in the future will also know where to refer back if the need arises.

My suggestions are read Chapter 3: "Of God’s Eternal Decree" of the Westminster Confession of Faith. Then read through the TULIP. These references will include proof texts to show they are based on what the Bible teaches.

The Larger and Shorter Catechisms' are also excellent instructional works.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Hello

D.L. Moody:

I was born of the flesh in 1837. I was born of the Spirit in 1856. That which is born of the flesh may die. That which is born of the Spirit will live forever.

Christ did died for all. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Christ's Atonement for sin is available to ALL but only few will acknowledge the conviction of the Holy Spirit to accept God's gift. If a person resist the Holy Spirit, God's plan of salvation, and Christ's death and resurrection as the basis for atonement, there is no remaining ground for redemption. Reconciliation is an impossibility.

A spiritually dead person cannot will himself to live anymore than a physically dead person can will himself to come back to life. If the dead person (spiritually or physically) is to come back to life he/she will have to be resurrected by God. In the spiritual realm this means he/she must be born from above. A spiritually dead person is without the Holy Spirit, therefore we do not have the "ability" to get saved on our own. We need the Holy Spirit to prick and quicken us to be alive. Without the Holy Spirit is TOTAL DEPRAVITY". The Holy Spirit is the only person that can quicken people to be saved. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Acts 7:51 "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 1 Thessalonians 4:8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

I am a born-again Spirit because God have chosen me. "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what as lost." Luke 19:10 (Many are called, but few are chosen.) The rest of mankind... still did not repent. Revelation 9:20 "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." (Hebrews 4:7c). Many have been putting off salvation because the sinful life is hardening a sinner's will and making it more and more difficult for a sinner to repent. The sinner's heart, for selfish reasons deliberately hardens against the Holy Spirit's conviction. If they continue reject the conviction of the Holy Spirit, they are to embrace error of the consequence which really is very heart-hardening.

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, / and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (Romans 9:15). "Have mercy...pardon" are the changes God makes in and for a sinner. To enter the kingdom of God, our Lord explained, a sinner must be born again (John 3:3-7). Later in John 6:65, Jesus went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

Hello

D.L. Moody:
Christ did died for all. John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Christ's Atonement for sin is available to ALL but only few will acknowledge the conviction of the Holy Spirit to accept God's gift. If a person resist the Holy Spirit, God's plan of salvation, and Christ's death and resurrection as the basis for atonement, there is no remaining ground for redemption. Reconciliation is an impossibility.

A spiritually dead person cannot will himself to live anymore than a physically dead person can will himself to come back to life. If the dead person (spiritually or physically) is to come back to life he/she will have to be resurrected by God. In the spiritual realm this means he/she must be born from above. A spiritually dead person is without the Holy Spirit, therefore we do not have the "ability" to get saved on our own. We need the Holy Spirit to prick and quicken us to be alive. Without the Holy Spirit is TOTAL DEPRAVITY". The Holy Spirit is the only person that can quicken people to be saved. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Acts 7:51 "You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! 1 Thessalonians 4:8 Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

John 6:63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit, who lives in you.

2 Corinthians 3:6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

I am a born-again Spirit because God have chosen me. "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what as lost." Luke 19:10 (Many are called, but few are chosen.) The rest of mankind... still did not repent. Revelation 9:20 "Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts." (Hebrews 4:7c). Many have been putting off salvation because the sinful life is hardening a sinner's will and making it more and more difficult for a sinner to repent. The sinner's heart, for selfish reasons deliberately hardens against the Holy Spirit's conviction. If they continue reject the conviction of the Holy Spirit, they are to embrace error of the consequence which really is very heart-hardening.

For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, / and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." (Romans 9:15). "Have mercy...pardon" are the changes God makes in and for a sinner. To enter the kingdom of God, our Lord explained, a sinner must be born again (John 3:3-7). Later in John 6:65, Jesus went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

Amen!

I dont subscrivbe to creeds, I oly read them, and let scripture interpret scripture in my own life. But thanks for the suggestion!

Resting in Christ,

BT

 

[JimfromOhio]

Amen!

I dont subscrivbe to creeds, I oly read them, and let scripture interpret scripture in my own life. But thanks for the suggestion!

Resting in Christ,

BT

Perhaps you may misunderstood what I meant. In the "election", we received our faith when the Holy Spirit convicted us to turn to God. If you are saved, it's entirely God's doing, and not to your credit at all. All you did was responding to the Holy Spirit's conviction and He did the rest. When I sinned, I am grieving the Holy Spirit; "not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30). I am saved and when the Holy Spirit convicting me not to sin, I will not sin. I tell them that if I didn't feel the conviction and didn't have the motivation to change from "within", then I am concerned whether I am truly saved or not.

Creed, I do follow as long as Creeds agree with the Scriptures. Historic Documents of the Church: Creeds and Confessions

I love The Westminster Shorter and Larger Catechism.

Read John Piper's regarding salvation from Reformed view: What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

Perhaps you may misunderstood what I meant. In the "election", we received our faith when the Holy Spirit convicted us to turn to God. If you are saved, it's entirely God's doing, and not to your credit at all. All you did was responding to the Holy Spirit's conviction and He did the rest. When I sinned, I am grieving the Holy Spirit; "not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30). I am saved and when the Holy Spirit convicting me not to sin, I will not sin. I tell them that if I didn't feel the conviction and didn't have the motivation to change from "within", then I am concerned whether I am truly saved or not.

Creed, I do follow as long as Creeds agree with the Scriptures. Historic Documents of the Church: Creeds and Confessions

I love The Westminster Shorter and Larger Catechism.

Read John Piper's regarding salvation from Reformed view: What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism

Amen!

Creeds are good so long as correct hermunetics are involved. Im sure most are, but that why he gave us His Spirit in our salvation, aka "anointing" (charismatics have ripped off th biblical meaning) in First John, so that He may teach us from His Word these things. And your right about the conviction.

going to fellowship, b back 2nite!

 

[bradfordl]

His election is based on an unknowable factor to humans (foreknowledge), so as to leave all men the chance to be saved, and responsible for their own destruction, if they are not, because the Lake of Fire was "prepared for the devil and his angels"

Really? So what about this?:

Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth; )
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

So what chance did the man Esau have to be saved in light of this scripture?

 

[bradfordl]

I am a OLD FASHIONED Plymouth Brethern type Gracer.

Does that mean you are a house church type? That is where I've heard the term Plymouth Brethren.

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

Does that mean you are a house church type? That is where I've heard the term Plymouth Brethren.

No I am an Independent Fundamental Baptist, who views the Scripture in the light of Soverign Grace Dispensationalism

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

Really? So what about this?:
So what chance did the man Esau have to be saved in light of this scripture?

Serving the purpose of God is the point of Romans 9. What Paul wrote about was that passage to show WHAT God had done in transfering salvation from Isreal to the Church (us Gentiles) and in that exact point, salvation is not by Gods Law (10 commandments) -which show us our depreavity and need of Christ- as much of the Judaists beleievd, by by the Lord Jesus Christ, and faith in Him and his finished work. When your going to use a section of scripture, it has to be exegeted in the conext of the whole passage. Romans is a great showing of God's plan for His Bride, The Church, in contrast with his people, Isreal.

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

Serving the purpose of God is the point of Romans 9. What Paul wrote about was that passage to show WHAT God had done in transfering salvation from Isreal to the Church (us Gentiles) and in that exact point, salvation is not by Gods Law (10 commandments) -which show us our depreavity and need of Christ- as much of the Judaists beleievd, by by the Lord Jesus Christ, and faith in Him and his finished work. When your going to use a section of scripture, it has to be exegeted in the conext of the whole passage. Romans is a great showing of God's plan for His Bride, The Church, in contrast with his people, Isreal.

I forgot to say, The Scripture is pretty clear when you take all the passages into consideration that God doe snot ACTIVLEY condemn the non-elect to Hell, but since they (or we, if we were NOT elect, that being proven through justification by grace through faith, and receievng the new birth), the non elect go willingly, since they refuse to trust Christ as their SAviour ANYWAY.

The non-elect are held responsible for their sin, and sent tot he second death based on their proven non-elect which is non faith and non salvation, which is given to God's Elect.

When God holds someone responsible, that doent mean they have the power to change, have faith, repent or soforth. Thats the Arminian problem, to belive that.

Even though election is true, God still hold men dead in their trespasses and sins responsible for that, even though they canot save them selves. Their election or non election is proven by salvation, and wheter or not it ever happens.

 

[GrinningDwarf]

Serving the purpose of God is the point of Romans 9. What Paul wrote about was that passage to show WHAT God had done in transfering salvation from Isreal to the Church (us Gentiles) and in that exact point, salvation is not by Gods Law (10 commandments) -which show us our depreavity and need of Christ- as much of the Judaists beleievd, by by the Lord Jesus Christ, and faith in Him and his finished work. When your going to use a section of scripture, it has to be exegeted in the conext of the whole passage. Romans is a great showing of God's plan for His Bride, The Church, in contrast with his people, Isreal.

At the risk of starting a debate (which I don't really want to get into...internet connection problems right now are inteferring with my ability to get online frequently enough to discuss the issue), many of us here on the Reformed board find that covenant theology actually handles the Word more accurately than dispensational theology. And looking at the entire context...without the background of a dispensational framework...Romans 9 is indeed speaking of the election of individuals.

Welcome to SR!!

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

At the risk of starting a debate (which I don't really want to get into...internet connection problems right now are inteferring with my ability to get online frequently enough to discuss the issue), many of us here on the Reformed board find that covenant theology actually handles the Word more accurately than dispensational theology. And looking at the entire context...without the background of a dispensational framework...Romans 9 is indeed speaking of the election of individuals.

Welcome to SR!!

The dispensational framework comes from a literal exegis of the texts of Paul and other writers of Epistles. And I agree with that! But I also agree with God's Salvation Plan, and I agree with you on that as well!

Hence an Independent Fundamental Baptist, being a Soverign Grace Dispensationalist. Not quite a Reformed Baptist, but not even close to Jack Hyles.

That why I made the claim to be like the OLD FASHONED Plymouth Brethern, because doctrinally, they are the exact same thing. (And are "Calvinists")

On the singular election thing, I do not argue with, but have a different premise for that in the Scripture, since this passage in individuals was showing the rise of the Gentiles, by the fall of Isreal, for our calling into one body, The Lord Jesus Christ. It's a corporate thing.


But like you said, its not worth debating!

Im not! Your not! We agree to disagree! Amen!

I like that because then we can move on with discussing the important thing: Jesus Christ and Him crucified, buried and risen again!

Thanks for posting and God bless your week

 

[bradfordl]

The dispensational framework comes from a literal exegis of the texts of Paul and other writers of Epistles.

But was hidden from the Church throughout the ages until Miller, Smith, Russell, and Scofield came along, right?

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

But was hidden from the Church throughout the ages until Miller, Smith, Russell, and Scofield came along, right?

No, actually it was never hidden. It was there in the Scripture the whole time.

It was written about by Church fathers prior to 400 A.D., and mereley picked up again in its fulness by John Nelson Darby, the Founder of the Plymouth Brethern (which I am not a member of due to polity and modernism reasons, and why I am an IFB) He was a man who rejected the Catholic Apostolic Church aka Irvingites as of Satan, because they were the founders of our modern day Arminian charismatic/apostle/prophet/antichrist-hindu prana, kundalini, demon possessed tounges speakers movements.

The modern day apostasy of the "big messup of the scritpures" ie Pentecostal, etc, actually stems out of the old-line PCUSA, since this is where the Irvingites came from, and Congregationalist churches, since thats old Joe Smiths Stomping ground.

(I did a lineage on this, since I was saved out of it, as one of God's Elect)
Back to the Medival Times:

The whole "DARK AGE" thing tended to wipe out most everything, until God saw fit to bring the truth back in force through Luther and Calvin, amongst others. But that was mostly regarding the foundation - Soteriology God's Way.

This is the "mystery", that Paul was preaching (use the kjv for that word), to the Gentiles, that their should be a people ELECTED out of ALL humankind (which I am assuming you are a part of, being born again, trusting Christ as your Saviour), to form His Bride, His Body, "Christ in you, the hope of glory", and Her high privilages IN CHRIST. Thats why we are KINGS AND PRIESTS unto Our God, and Isreal is His "people".

Same Gospel, Same Election, Same Salavtion, Same Soverign God, who can do what He wants, consistent with what He told Paul, John, Peter, etc.

Different "callings", same God, Same Gospel.


Because of that simple confusion regarding Isreal and the Christs Body we have, cults, charismatics, Rome, and weak beleivers abounding, who never have serious consisten victory over sin and self, even though elect.

It's a good thing our salvation is secured by God's Power, through the Faith that He gives us, and not our works, otherwise we could boast AND be lost!

which is why Romans 9 was laid out, just to kick off the unfolding of God's plan repective of us all, and where we fit.

Really read the Pauline Epistles, esp. the ones that end in "ANS". Thats the one inherent problem with Covenant theology, and the Reformed movement. Scriptural in Salvation, but traditions of men, and confusion of PROMISES MADE in sanctification and escatology.



The confusion in Covenant Theology of the promises and covenants made with Isreal, are different than the ones made to US the Bride/Body, and lastly versus ones that are CO-Habitated by US (ME and YOU) the Church and Isreal.

Thats why there is a satan-driven, demon possessed crowd (which I was one of them, when I was dead in trespasses and sins) called the Charismatics (in EVERY DENOMINATION AND GROUP IN THESE LAST DAYS), and now there are Calvinist Charismatics i.e. Soverign Lifers.


thats why I am close to a Reformed Baptist, and am consistent in that being an Soverign Grace Dispensationalist.

A real good book by R.A. Hubner is The Soverginty of God in the Election and Salvation of Lost Men

This website will help to clear up a LOT of misunderstanding you have about the Biblical posistion I take "rightly dividing the Word of Truth"

www.withChrist.org

Not your typical Arminian, freak out drivel.

The Reformed movement definetley has a lot of great foundation in it, like the Doctrines of Grace, and the writings of Luther, Calvin, etc so far as scriputrally exgeted regarding salvation and election.

The Reformation however, it was just that, a reforming. From there, the need is to break off completeley from the RC, in every manner.

Otherwise the harlot of Babylon will swallow up those who wont come out. Thats who the Reformed think is AntiChrist, last time I read up on it. Thats not too far off.

Brother, the note of your posts concern me, because they dont sound like (I could be wrong of course) they are tempered with charity (love), but are becoming increasingly full of cynicism or "witicissm" which is a sin.

Heres the verse:

Eph 5:4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.

Jesting = 2160. eutrapelia eutrapelia, yoo-trap-el-ee'-ah
Search for 2160 in KJV

from a compound of 2095 and a derivative of the base of 5157 (meaning well-turned, i.e. ready at repartee, jocose); witticism, i.e. (in a vulgar sense) ribaldry:--jesting.
n. A witty remark.[Blend of witty and criticism.]


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Convenient = Fitting, Appropriate.

I tell you this because God has convicted my soul about it, others wise i would be making smart remarks back. I hope this edifies you instead.

www.withChrist.org

 

[bradfordl]

Brother, the note of your posts concern me, because they dont sound like (I could be wrong of course) they are tempered with charity (love), but are becoming increasingly full of cynicism or "witicissm" which is a sin.

But skepticism of your positions is not sin. I am not attacking you, simply asking small questions to find how you come to your conclusions. One thing I would suggest is that you consider the wisdom of carrying the zeal for your positions from your charismatic past into your IFB present. If you carried the torch with great vehemence back in those days, it may be wise to consider whether that same type of vehemence is "appropriate" now. Amen?!

 

[JesusChristisallineed]

But skepticism of your positions is not sin. I am not attacking you, simply asking small questions to find how you come to your conclusions. One thing I would suggest is that you consider the wisdom of carrying the zeal for your positions from your charismatic past into your IFB present. If you carried the torch with great vehemence back in those days, it may be wise to consider whether that same type of vehemence is "appropriate" now. Amen?!

Actually I hated church and was scared of God when I was charismatic, because I did not REALLY know Him.

Actually my vehemence is just how I express. The thing I am not doing is pulling out a huge amoutn of Scripture, sinc eI have to work, be with my wife and kids, and go to school, otherwise I would take the time to be more biblically logical and thorough. Anyone who truly beleievs salvation according to God's Word will believe "the just shall live by faith", but hat doesnt mean taht all will reach teh same conclusion, hence Covenant or Dispensationalism, and both have their good and bad adherents. However, in simplicity I beleive it is appropriate to make a stand on what you beleieve, and be firm in it, without being cynical of others. I know, because it is easy for me to do that. Good or bad.

Grace to you, and peace from God our Father and The Lord Jesus Christ