God Created Man (Adam) Sin-ful

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 26, 2018

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Fairly simple. Paul says that it was the existence of a "thou shalt not" which evidenced he was a sinner even before the act of coveting he was guilty of.

Genesis 2:17 (KJV)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The Command of God is Law and the Law of God are Commands.
The existence of a "thou shalt not" in the garden evidences the man (Adam) was a sinner before the act of eating from the tree. In other words it can be said in Pauline fashion that (Adam) had not known sin but by the law: for I (Adam) had not known disobedience, except the law/command said, Thou shalt not eat of it!"

Fairly simple.

Adam sinned because he was a sinner. He is not a sinner because he sinned. The Doctrine of Imputation awaits! Thus, God created man sin-ful, and as the Greek word is defined "missing the mark."
What is the "mark?"
The glory of God.
Sin comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy. The last Adam PROVED this.
There is ONLY ONE God, God shares His glory with NO ONE, and there is NONE like Him. Thus, to claim Adam was holy, sinless, innocent, etc., is to say God reduplicated Himself in His creation -Something He cannot do for there is only ONE God.

A_Thinker · Jan 26, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Fairly simple. Paul says that it was the existence of a "thou shalt not" which evidenced he was a sinner even before the act of coveting he was guilty of.

Genesis 2:17 (KJV)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The Command of God is Law and the Law of God are Commands.

The existence of a "thou shalt not" in the garden evidences the man (Adam) was a sinner before the act of eating from the tree. In other words it can be said in Pauline fashion that (Adam) had not known sin but by the law: for I (Adam) had not known disobedience, except the law/command said, Thou shalt not eat of it!"

Fairly simple.

Adam sinned because he was a sinner. He is not a sinner because he sinned. The Doctrine of Imputation awaits! Thus, God created man sin-ful, and as the Greek word is defined "missing the mark."

What is the "mark?"

The glory of God.

Sin comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy. The last Adam PROVED this.
There is ONLY ONE God, God shares His glory with NO ONE, and there is NONE like Him. Thus, to claim Adam was holy, sinless, innocent, etc., is to say God reduplicated Himself in His creation -Something He cannot do for there is only ONE God.

I think that God created Adam with the potential (i.e. free will) to sin.

Therefore, He did not cause the sin, ... but He allowed the sin, as he does in ALL of our lives.

God cannot sin, ... as His will DEFINES sin (i.e. the breaching of His will).

Scripture does not say that God created Adam as God or holy, ... but He did create him innocent (i.e. sinless). Adam became a sinner when he sinned.

Take note that a third of the angels also sinned, though they, also, were not sinners until they sinned.

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 26, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Fairly simple. Paul says that it was the existence of a "thou shalt not" which evidenced he was a sinner even before the act of coveting he was guilty of.

Genesis 2:17 (KJV)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The Command of God is Law and the Law of God are Commands.
The existence of a "thou shalt not" in the garden evidences the man (Adam) was a sinner before the act of eating from the tree. In other words it can be said in Pauline fashion that (Adam) had not known sin but by the law: for I (Adam) had not known disobedience, except the law/command said, Thou shalt not eat of it!"

Fairly simple.

Adam sinned because he was a sinner. He is not a sinner because he sinned. The Doctrine of Imputation awaits! Thus, God created man sin-ful, and as the Greek word is defined "missing the mark."
What is the "mark?"
The glory of God.
Sin comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy. The last Adam PROVED this.
There is ONLY ONE God, God shares His glory with NO ONE, and there is NONE like Him. Thus, to claim Adam was holy, sinless, innocent, etc., is to say God reduplicated Himself in His creation -Something He cannot do for there is only ONE God.

Interesting to ponder...Before the caveat of thou shalt not eat was this Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

At first, Adam was one alone in the garden. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

I don't disagree that Adam's action began our journey of soul...It was not good for man to be alone, and yet God knew His remedy for this would bring Adam/man to a death. HE knew the course of events, yet planted the tree anyway...having a plan He purposed in Himself from the beginning. (Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...slain before the foundation...)

The Woman (who God took out of Adam's side after placing him in a deep slumber, prepared the feast of which he ate) desired what she saw and thought would make her wise to eat of it...(desired something she perceived she lacked)...

That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Hieronymus · Jan 26, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Fairly simple. Paul says that it was the existence of a "thou shalt not" which evidenced he was a sinner even before the act of coveting he was guilty of.

Genesis 2:17 (KJV)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The Command of God is Law and the Law of God are Commands.
The existence of a "thou shalt not" in the garden evidences the man (Adam) was a sinner before the act of eating from the tree. In other words it can be said in Pauline fashion that (Adam) had not known sin but by the law: for I (Adam) had not known disobedience, except the law/command said, Thou shalt not eat of it!"

Fairly simple.

Yeah, when you just ignore Genesis 3...

Tolworth John · Jan 26, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
The existence of a "thou shalt not" in the garden evidences the man (Adam) was a sinner before the act of eating from the tree. In other words it can be said in Pauline fashion that (Adam

What you are ignoring is God's own judgement of all that he had created which included Adam. He said that it was good.
We read in genesis that God met and communicated with Adam, yet when Adam sinned, that communication and meeting was broken.

Adam had freewill. He could chose to obey or to disobey God's command and to have that freedom meant there had to be a command he could chose.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 26, 2018

A_Thinker said:
I think that God created Adam with the potential (i.e. free will) to sin.

Therefore, He did not cause the sin, ... but He allowed the sin, as he does in ALL of our lives.

God cannot sin, ... as His will DEFINES sin (i.e. the breaching of His will).

Scripture does not say that God created Adam as God or holy, ... but He did create him innocent (i.e. sinless). Adam became a sinner when he sinned.

Take note that a third of the angels also sinned, though they, also, were not sinners until they sinned.

Hello A_Thinker (like the handle).
All Christians should be thinkers - even deep thinkers.

Well, well, freewill?

I used to believe in free will but the Scripture changed all that. Free will in man, I believe, is an illusion. Not even God has free will, but One Will: Good. But that's another post and discussion.

The free will to sin? Paul describes that will as a will in bondage TO SIN. We are all still in this body of this death - and it began in the garden. Sinless-ness is a Deific Attribute. Scripture says that God does not give His glory (of which sinlessness is one of them) to anyone, there is none like Him, and there is only ONE God - not two.

The word translated by the KJV translators is the word sin ("hamartia") which means literally "to miss the mark" (Strong's).

Now think, A_Thinker, Did God create a being that possessed Deific Attributes like eternal-ness, sin-less-ness, omniscience, omnipotent, omnipresent, holy, etc., in man? The ONLY Persons who can stand before a Holy, Righteous, Omnipotent God is the Son and the Holy Spirit. And, if one possesses one attribute of Deity/God he would by necessity MUST possess ALL Attributes of Deity to stand before a Holy God OR that person would be "sin-ful" or "missing the mark" of the Glory of God.

If sin is in the act then this view destroys the Doctrine of Imputation which Paul describes is a nature-swap (2 Co. 5:21).

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 26, 2018

PeaceJoyLove said:
Interesting to ponder...Before the caveat of thou shalt not eat was this Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

At first, Adam was one alone in the garden. And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

I don't disagree that Adam's action began our journey of soul...It was not good for man to be alone, and yet God knew His remedy for this would bring Adam/man to a death. HE knew the course of events, yet planted the tree anyway...having a plan He purposed in Himself from the beginning. (Behold the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world...slain before the foundation...)

The Woman (who God took out of Adam's side after placing him in a deep slumber, prepared the feast of which he ate) desired what she saw and thought would make her wise to eat of it...(desired something she perceived she lacked)...

That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other, I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Hello PeaceJoyLove, If I made you THINK then that is good.

We do two things: plant and water.

Oh yes, of course God had a plan - all He's doing is preparing bodies to go with those Names in the book of life of the lamb. God doesn't sit around waiting to see who will "accept Jesus into their heart" God is ACTIVELY saving those souls named in the book of life. The presence of a non-elect person is an offense against the Holy Spirit. THAT is the unforgivable sin.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 26, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Yeah, when you just ignore Genesis 3...

Not ignoring, Hieronymus, but taking into account.
It was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, it didn't make Adam evil, but God used the Tree to teach His creation that just because you hang around a kitchen doesn't make you a cook just as hanging around God doesn't make you deity.

The tree gave the man and woman the KNOWLEDGE of their sinful-ness. It didn't 'magically' changed them, there was no metamorphosis, it was a mental exercise.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 26, 2018

Tolworth John said:
What you are ignoring is God's own judgement of all that he had created which included Adam. He said that it was good.
We read in genesis that God met and communicated with Adam, yet when Adam sinned, that communication and meeting was broken.

Adam had freewill. He could chose to obey or to disobey God's command and to have that freedom meant there had to be a command he could chose.

Hi Tolworth John.
I understand. But the word "good" that God declared of His creation is NOT a word that has any reference to morality. That is another word and it is not found here. If you think it means "morally" good, then explain the "good" declared of the animals. They are not moral.

The word here "good" means "to specification" or "good enough."

God is creating and He is following a specific plan. Even creation of a being is to specifications.

Paul describes that if there was no "thou shalt not" covet then he would not be guilty, but the existence of such a command proves the sinful-ness of Adam. Thou shalt not [eat of it] evidences that Adam was created sin-ful, or as the word is defined, "missing the mark" of the glory of God.

Man (Adam) sinned because he was a sinner, he did not become a sinner when he sinned. There is only ONE God. God cannot reduplicate any of His glory in dirt! And the image He said He was to make of Himself is looking forward to the New Man in Christ, and there is no better image of a Father than a Son - not man. We are made into the image ofChrist, not Adam.

Free will in man is an illusion. Not even God has free will. He has only One will: Good.

Hieronymus · Jan 26, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Not ignoring, Hieronymus, but taking into account.
It was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, it didn't make Adam evil, but God used the Tree to teach His creation that just because you hang around a kitchen doesn't make you a cook just as hanging around God doesn't make you deity.

Maybe you should read the 3rd chapter of Genesis more carefully and just let the text speak.
Also, bare in mind that breaking laws is what makes someone a sinner.
But it was the serpent that came with the great idea to eat from the tree, which was forbidden.
This caused 4 things:
- They broke the law by eating from the tree.
- Their eyes were opened and they realised they were naked, indicating their nudity became a problem after eating the fruit and having their eyes opened, because they had become like gods, which Himself God affirms.
Apparently gods are supposed to be "clothed". Next, God clothes them with hides.
- God cursed the serpent for what he did, he cursed the earth too and made life hard for man (and possibly for all life on earth) and they were expelled from Paradise.
- Enmity was put between the serpent's seed and the woman's seed, and the serpent got his death penalty to look forward to.

Later it becomes clearer that the serpent is the god of this world.
The serpent apparently committed a coupe d'etat on top of his (attempted) murder of man.

To make the fall of creation complete see Genesis 6 (pre flood) and Psalms 82 (post flood).

Hieronymus · Jan 26, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Hello A_Thinker (like the handle).
All Christians should be thinkers - even deep thinkers.

Well, well, freewill?

I used to believe in free will but the Scripture changed all that. Free will in man, I believe, is an illusion. Not even God has free will, but One Will: Good. But that's another post and discussion.

If you don't mind me saying something about this:

God created his creatures with a personal will, So the gods and the humans have their own personal will and responsibility.
This means they can have a will opposed to God's Will (humans and gods can rebel.)
Why is this necessary?
Love.
Without the personal will we (and the gods for that matter) would be like programmed robots who do God's Will.
Programmed by God, meaning it will be God who loves Himself through programmed robots.
I don't think that that is Love, because Love is something between beings, Loving the other at least as much as they love themselves because they want to.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 27, 2018

Hieronymus said:
If you don't mind me saying something about this:

God created his creatures with a personal will, So the gods and the humans have their own personal will and responsibility.
This means they can have a will opposed to God's Will (humans and gods can rebel.)
Why is this necessary?
Love.
Without the personal will we (and the gods for that matter) would be like programmed robots who do God's Will.
Programmed by God, meaning it will be God who loves Himself through programmed robots.
I don't think that that is Love, because Love is something between beings, Loving the other at least as much as they love themselves because they want to.

Animals don't have will - they have instinct. Man doesn't have free will. Can't. Impossible in God's economy. Why is that?

Because will is a Deific Attribute and man is not God - our "will" which when applied to man is not will, but BONDAGE. If Adam was anything less than Deity he would be sin-ful or "missing the mark" of the glory that is God.

The power of the Mind of God: to see through all these acts of sin BEFORE cretion, see the result you want, and to make it happen WITHIN the realm of God's will.

Again, God cannot transfer or reduplicate Himself in Himself so He creates the universe, sets the clock of TIME moving and watch all man's sins take him to the grave. And God allows it - all 'will' die.

I suppose you would also say that God violating that will of man is a no-no and God will be guilty of sin if He did.

Right?

Always with the "robot" narrative. What did they call it before the word was coined??
Election.
I'm a Christian. I am a Biblical Christian. In order to have the Deific Attribute of a Will one must have the power to accomplish ALL that one wills - like create. Make something out of nothing and then you can tell me you have a will, otherwise, our so-called will is an illusion. NONE of the members of Trinity have free will like man to do good and evil. None of the angels have such a will for as created beings God has chosen to have Elect angels that seem to be sinless but are not, and the fallen angels of whom at least one cherub was found to be sin-ful - "missing the mark" of the glory of God.

In salvation I BELONG TO CHRIST. Always did - even before birth.

QUESTION: In glory will I have a will, still? Or will God violate me and take it away?

And if I do have a will still in glory will I will to be in perfect obedience to God or do I still have the free will to do good and evil (good or evil), to disobey?

Why and why not?

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 27, 2018

Hieronymus said:
Maybe you should read the 3rd chapter of Genesis more carefully and just let the text speak.
Also, bare in mind that breaking laws is what makes someone a sinner.
But it was the serpent that came with the great idea to eat from the tree, which was forbidden.
This caused 4 things:
- They broke the law by eating from the tree.
- Their eyes were opened and they realised they were naked, indicating their nudity became a problem after eating the fruit and having their eyes opened, because they had become like gods, which Himself God affirms.
Apparently gods are supposed to be "clothed". Next, God clothes them with hides.
- God cursed the serpent for what he did, he cursed the earth too and made life hard for man (and possibly for all life on earth) and they were expelled from Paradise.
- Enmity was put between the serpent's seed and the woman's seed, and the serpent got his death penalty to look forward to.

Later it becomes clearer that the serpent is the god of this world.
The serpent apparently committed a coupe d'etat on top of his (attempted) murder of man.

To make the fall of creation complete see Genesis 6 (pre flood) and Psalms 82 (post flood).

Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

What we have here is failure to communicate.

Let's say it was Adam that wrote this.

"I [Adam] had not known disobedience except the Law said Thou shalt not eat of it."

Paul is correct. It there is existence of a Law - or Command - prohibiting something then this means this person is a sinner BEFORE the act.

You say it is the act of sin which makes us sinners?

This has a whole range of implication - the first of which is the most important: If it is the act of sin that we are sinners then Christ died for our acts of sin.

But the Doctrine of Imputation is a nature-swap.

Are you going to now tell me the act of sin in the garden changed their nature?

Then an act of righteousness should restore us to sinless-ness like God. Adam had the nature of Deity that he was holy, righteous, sinless, innocent - whatever that means - and that as Christ WHO WAS HOLY, Righteous, sinless, innocent - DID NOT SIN - which is what Adam would have not done if he were holy, righteous, sinless, innocent or neutral - whatever that means - that is OBEY THE FATHER .

The god of this world is man - not Lucifer. Lucifer is STILL an obedient servant of God.

A_Thinker · Jan 27, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Animals don't have will - they have instinct. Man doesn't have free will. Can't. Impossible in God's economy. Why is that?

If man has no will, then it is foolish (or disingenuous) for God to appeal to man's will ...

Genesis 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 27, 2018

A_Thinker said:
If man has no will, then it is foolish (or disingenuous) for God to appeal to man's will ...

Genesis 2:16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Matthew 11:28 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Here's the test.

If man has a will to resist God in your model then does he have the capacity to will to resist God eternally?
If yes, then man has FREE will.

If no, then man does NOT HAVE free will.

That's all.

Folks.

Tolworth John · Jan 27, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
But the word "good" that God declared of His creation is NOT a word that has any reference to morality.

God declared his creation as good at the end of each day and yes declaring that animals he'd created as good does not imply they were moral perfect.
But declaring Adam as good does imply that.

There is nothing in the genesis account that implies or says that Adam was bound to fall, just as in the account of Cain, there is nothing there that says he was bound to murder his brother. If anything the implication is that he could have not murdered him.

Adam had the capacity to obey or to disobey. He was the only human who had that capacity.

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 27, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Hello PeaceJoyLove, If I made you THINK then that is good.

We do two things: plant and water.

Oh yes, of course God had a plan - all He's doing is preparing bodies to go with those Names in the book of life of the lamb. God doesn't sit around waiting to see who will "accept Jesus into their heart" God is ACTIVELY saving those souls named in the book of life. The presence of a non-elect person is an offense against the Holy Spirit. THAT is the unforgivable sin.

To take thought is to yet labour to 'be'...perceiving lack. When the truth be, God fills all in all...perception being everything (in relation to our soul) as in the question asked of Adam, "Where art thou?"...along with 'Who told you... and hast thou eaten...?'...when he heard the voice of God outside of himself for the first time.

To come in out of the field is to enter His rest, no longer labouring to 'be', seed bag full...all God's doing, not anything we can do from our self.

I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 27, 2018

Tolworth John said:
God declared his creation as good at the end of each day and yes declaring that animals he'd created as good does not imply they were moral perfect.
But declaring Adam as good does imply that.

There is nothing in the genesis account that implies or says that Adam was bound to fall, just as in the account of Cain, there is nothing there that says he was bound to murder his brother. If anything the implication is that he could have not murdered him.

Adam had the capacity to obey or to disobey. He was the only human who had that capacity.

Tolworth John, I appreciate your understanding but as I indicated the word "good" God declared after each day has nothing to do with morality. That would be another word and it is not found here. This word means "to specifications," or "good enough."

God is creating EVERYTHING to His specifications and this is also indication that each day is "good enough" or to His specification so that we believers may know God is in control of EVERYTHING.

Of course the man was a sinner. The existence of a "thou shalt not" is indicative of this fact. This is why Adam sinned. Sin comes from sinner, sin does not come from sin-less, or holy, or innocent. The last Adam PROVES this. There was no need for God to "reduplicate" Himself, or "transfer" His Attributes to creation when [the] holy thing that was born into the world was and is the Son of God (Deity). Christ was holy and DID NOT sin because sin does not come from holy. Sin comes from sinner. There was no "Fall." All God did is give Adam and the woman KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil, the tree did not make them evil. They were already fallen short of the glory of God.

Andrew Jeremiah · Jan 27, 2018

PeaceJoyLove said:
To take thought is to yet labour to 'be'...perceiving lack. When the truth be, God fills all in all...perception being everything (in relation to our soul) as in the question asked of Adam, "Where art thou?"...along with 'Who told you... and hast thou eaten...?'...when he heard the voice of God outside of himself for the first time.

Whoa! Very good! Insightful, PJL.

PeaceJoyLove said:
To come in out of the field is to enter His rest, no longer labouring to 'be', seed bag full...all God's doing, not anything we can do from our self.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.
My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.

Excellent.
Beautiful Scripture. Thanks.

PeaceJoyLove · Jan 27, 2018

Andrew Jeremiah said:
Romans 7:7 (KJV)
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Fairly simple. Paul says that it was the existence of a "thou shalt not" which evidenced he was a sinner even before the act of coveting he was guilty of.

Genesis 2:17 (KJV)
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The Command of God is Law and the Law of God are Commands.
The existence of a "thou shalt not" in the garden evidences the man (Adam) was a sinner before the act of eating from the tree. In other words it can be said in Pauline fashion that (Adam) had not known sin but by the law: for I (Adam) had not known disobedience, except the law/command said, Thou shalt not eat of it!"

Fairly simple.

Adam sinned because he was a sinner. He is not a sinner because he sinned. The Doctrine of Imputation awaits! Thus, God created man sin-ful, and as the Greek word is defined "missing the mark."
What is the "mark?"
The glory of God.
Sin comes from sinner. Sin does not come from holy. The last Adam PROVED this.
There is ONLY ONE God, God shares His glory with NO ONE, and there is NONE like Him. Thus, to claim Adam was holy, sinless, innocent, etc., is to say God reduplicated Himself in His creation -Something He cannot do for there is only ONE God.

Adam was one, alone, until God placed him in a deep slumber, wounded his side to take out a woman (a picture of our soul)...(who prepared the feast he ate)...one became two...And the two must become one (again)...

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Like the woman at the tree reasoning with a serpent...desiring something she thought she lacked...thought it would make her like God...Her desire was to be for her husband (God is our husband...)

But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is fully grown, it gives birth to death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, with whom there is no change or shifting shadow. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we would be a kind of firstfruits of His creation.

Sin is perception...where one is perceiving from...vantage point...the change of eyesight that happened after eating of it...Jesus said He came "so that the blind may see and those who see may become blind...And, If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains."

The commandment not to eat is what set in motion the process in our soul journey. Ultimately it is God who wills, and not our perceived will in any matter...our will is perceived to be free (though it be in bondage) until it becomes free by becoming one with the will of our Father. We cannot come to Him unless He draws us...we can't see Him unless The Son reveals Him and without the faith He gives, it is impossible to please Him.

He who has the bride is the bridegroom...

No one can reason with God without becoming clean...

When our eye is single, the truth narrows down to the ONE we have always been from the beginning...

God Created Man (Adam) Sin-ful

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