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There's no contradiction at all, ever , in Yahweh's Plan, Creation, Purpose and Salvation in Jesus.
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There's no contradiction at all, ever , in Yahweh's Plan, Creation, Purpose and Salvation in Jesus."Yahweh's Plan, Creation, Purpose or Salvation in Jesus"
Yahweh is self-existent, uncreated, always forever has been , is, and will be.(Of course I imagine the author Genesis had God creating through words, because God was modeled on human kings.)
I disagree. A chaotic field is not evil, but becomes a good when it is ordered and tilled.I can explain why the water actually was viewed as evil. On each day of creation there is a refrain "and God saw that it was good" - each day that is except the day that God created the sky to divide the waters below from the waters above. That is because the waters symbolized evil, and the author felt it was inappropriate to write "and God saw that it was good" even though it would have been more poetic to do that. (That point was made by the Rendsburg in the lectures I have been watching.)
Cloudyday2, do you mean to imply that evil has no beginning and is uncreated like God? That would make evil one in being with God. Always been and uncreated self subsistent existence. Is that something resolved or am I not understanding what you mean?This also solves the problem of evil, because Christians can argue that God did not create the evil and chaos -
It's not clear from Genesis 1 what the author intended.Cloudyday2, do you mean to imply that evil has no beginning and is uncreated like God? That would make evil one in being with God. Always been and uncreated self subsistent existence. Is that something resolved or am I not understanding what you mean?
Earlier you said:There's no contradiction at all, ever , in Yahweh's Plan, Creation, Purpose and Salvation in Jesus.
I disagree. A chaotic field is not evil, but becomes a good when it is ordered and tilled.
The Serpent of Chaos, once cut into pieces and these ordered into the world, becomes good. Goodness was present in the chaos, just potentially. It was not therefore evil. Ommiting "it was good", does not mean "it was evil", just that it may be partly still in chaos - from which goodness, like fish for instance, might still be brought forth.
I think Rendsburgh is having difficulty forgetting his cultural background here, and not reading it as the culture would have. A broad Dualism simply did not exist at that stage, although we could argue this is a later version under the pen of a redactor when more apparent dualism had entered Semitic thought.
The title of the thread, your sources, and your ideas posted in the thread are signs of unbelief continuing, and all are clear rejection of God's Word.That's the only reason I'm asking. It sounded like you saw some theological problem with this idea that chaos and evil were preexisting.
Not really true. Set was present on the Barque of Ra, opposing Apothis on the journey through the night. Likewise Set, a god of desert chaos, was one of the patrons of Egypt, even the patron of Pharoahs (Seti, for instance).Hmmm. I really think that to an ancient person chaos and evil were equivalent. Chaos brought earthquakes, droughts, floods, looting barbarians, etc. The reason agriculture thrived in areas with river water and very little rain water is that this reduced chaos.
So what did he have to say about "ex nihilo"?
There isn't a theological problem with evil. God permits it as a means to bring about His plan. God brought Salvation by use of evil works of Satan and men. True then true now.It's not clear from Genesis 1 what the author intended.
The main advantage of preexisting evil is that God is no longer necessarily the creator of that evil. This solves the problem of evil. (Of course Genesis 1 is also compatible with the hypothesis that God created the evil and chaos as a cosmological blunder and then He went on to create the good stuff later.)
Apparently the best translations of Genesis 1 show God creating the universe from preexisting evil and chaos instead of from nothing
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