Gnostic Genesis vs Bible genesis

[FullyAmbivalent]

I have been doing a lot of reading into the Gnostic writtings. I have a question (which I already know the answer to). I want to see what others think.

What are the major differences between the Gnostic Genesis stories compared to the Genesis story in the bible. Which one do you believe is correct.

 

[419gam]

I don't take the bible literally so I don't have any reason to believe either are correct, however I think the Gnostic Genesis makes for way better allegory.

 

[Danhalen]

The major differences are many. The single biggest difference is that Jehova is a bad guy in the gnostic version, and Jesus is the serpent leading Eve to knowledge of the truth. I believe that niether is correct.

 

[Abbadon]

The major differences are many. The single biggest difference is that Jehova is a bad guy in the gnostic version, and Jesus is the serpent leading Eve to knowledge of the truth. I believe that niether is correct.

Depends on what source. Most of what I've read out of the Nag Hammadi usually puts Sammael, Saklas, or Yaldabaoth and his/their archons as the bad guys. God is some being that is far off and not particularly involved.

 

[Abbadon]

What are the major differences between the Gnostic Genesis stories compared to the Genesis story in the bible. Which one do you believe is correct.

As an allegory, both. As history, option C) evolution.

 

[Zaac]

I don't take the bible literally so I don't have any reason to believe either are correct, however I think the Gnostic Genesis makes for way better allegory.

Are you a Christian?

 

[Abbadon]

Are you a Christian?

Let's see... His icon reads "protestant." So I guess he is. Are you asking because he stated that he doesn't take the bible literally?

 

[Zaac]

I have been doing a lot of reading into the Gnostic writtings. I have a question (which I already know the answer to). I want to see what others think.

What are the major differences between the Gnostic Genesis stories compared to the Genesis story in the bible. Which one do you believe is correct.

The one is correct that God inspired.

 

[Zaac]

Let's see... His icon reads "protestant." So I guess he is. Are you asking because he stated that he doesn't take the bible literally?

Yep.

 

[Abbadon]

Yep.

Since when is a belief in a literal Bible required as Christian? Last time I checked it wasn't. And if it was, then we're in trouble unless someone here has access to free, quick and easy internet classes in Greek and Hebrew, since the Bible would have been altered in translation, as every document is.

 

[Zaac]

Since when is a belief in a literal Bible required as Christian? Last time I checked it wasn't.

I didn't say that it was. But the time is short and there are too many lost people out there who cna be mislead by professing Christians who do not believe that the God of Creation literally means everything that He says in His Word.

And it does God a disservice to even hint that you are a follower of Him but you don't believe that He literally means everything that He says in His Word.

He may have used parables and such to describe different principles and commands, but He literaaly told these things and to think otherwise means you doubt that His Word is His Word.

And if His Word is not His Word, we lack the authority to preach it as Gospel. He has given us the authority and He is not a LIAR.

And if it was, then we're in trouble unless someone here has access to free, quick and easy internet classes in Greek and Hebrew, since the Bible would have been altered in translation, as every document is.

That's why some of us have been schooled in Hebrew and Greek. what do you want to know?

If you're going to Christ as you should be when getting into His Word, He will make His truth known. Counter to what the skeptics THINK, God is big enough to maintain HIS WORD.

 

[Abbadon]

I didn't say that it was. But the time is short and there are too many lost people out there who cna be mislead by professing Christians who do not believe that the God of Creation literally means everything that He says in His Word.

Time is short? Oh, you think the worlds going to end soon. OK.

I think it's just as possible to be mislead by professing Christians who do not believe in the Bible as it is to be mislead by professing Christians who DO believe in the Bible. The Branch Davidians and Jonestown both come to mind.

Why God of Creation? Is God of Love a more suiting title? What would be the point of just worshipping a creator? Since the title does not confer a good or evil status.

That's why some of us have been schooled in Hebrew and Greek. what do you want to know?

Not much.

If you're going to Christ as you should be when getting into His Word, He will make His truth known. Counter to what the skeptics THINK, God is big enough to maintain HIS WORD.

A belief in the Bible and a lack of belief in the Bible usually don't make a difference. The most horrific acts by people who believed in the Bible compared to those that don't are about equal.

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

Great Post Abbadon!

Coming to the realization that Christians can still be Christians without buying into the myth of innerrancy is what has kept many believers from turning away from Christianity altogether.

 

[Abbadon]

Thanks!

 

[Zaac]

Time is short? Oh, you think the worlds going to end soon. OK.

Not at issue.

I think it's just as possible to be mislead by professing Christians who do not believe in the Bible as it is to be mislead by professing Christians who DO believe in the Bible. The Branch Davidians and Jonestown both come to mind.

Absolutely. That's why God's Word exists as absolute truth for every Man who is in Christ to come to Him for His discernement.

Why God of Creation?

Because He is the God of Creation and I just felt like referring to Him as such.

Is God of Love a more suiting title?

If that's what you want to call Him.

What would be the point of just worshipping a creator? Since the title does not confer a good or evil status.

I'm making a direct reference to the God who created EVERYTHING.

A belief in the Bible and a lack of belief in the Bible usually don't make a difference. The most horrific acts by people who believed in the Bible compared to those that don't are about equal.

17These men are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them. 18For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. 1 Peter 2:17-18

A belief in the Word of God makes an absolute difference and horrific acts being perpetrated by those who believe in God's Word has no relevancy when it comes to God's Word being His Word.

 

[Abbadon]

A belief in the Word of God makes an absolute difference and horrific acts being perpetrated by those who believe in God's Word has no relevancy when it comes to God's Word being His Word.

I disagree. I think that a belief in God's truth, which is love, will make a difference, but a Bible will not.

I am not saying people shouldn't read the Bible, I'm just saying not believing in the Bible does not make a difference as to whether or not a person is Christian.

 

[FullyAmbivalent]

The major differences are many. The single biggest difference is that Jehova is a bad guy in the gnostic version, and Jesus is the serpent leading Eve to knowledge of the truth. I believe that niether is correct.

I found it very interesting that the God of Genesis in the bible is the evil one in the Genesis stories of Gnostic texts.

It does kind of make sense to me though. If I were going to buy into one of the two mythologies I would choose the gnostic one. It seems to make more sense and cover in greater detail the story of mankind. The bible has always seemed lacking to me. As if much of it was removed or changed. Noah is even seen as being on the wrong side of the road in the gnostic texts as well, which I think also makes more sense.

 

[Zaac]

I disagree. I think that a belief in God's truth, which is love, will make a difference, but a Bible will not.

You feel free to disagree. God says what is His Word. And trying to separate His love from His Word is silly and just a prideful attempt to justify your not wanting to acept His Word a His Word.

Jesus Christ is the Word so you attempting to separate His Word from His love is futile;

I am not saying people shouldn't read the Bible, I'm just saying not believing in the Bible does not make a difference as to whether or not a person is Christian.

It sure does because you can't trust in Jesus Christ, the Word of God, without trusting in what God says IS HIS WORD.

 

[BarbB]

I disagree. I think that a belief in God's truth, which is love, will make a difference, but a Bible will not.

I am not saying people shouldn't read the Bible, I'm just saying not believing in the Bible does not make a difference as to whether or not a person is Christian.

A professing Christian is not a saved born-again Christian. A born-again Christian believes that the Bible is true and that reading it will allow him to progress in his Christianity. I did not know there was a difference until I became born-again. Big changes the Holy Spirit has worked in me and in others I know.

 

[419gam]

I am a Christian. I just don't take the Bible literally. I see no contradiction in those two stances some do. I don't understand the belief that the Bible is inerrant, or immune from immune from poltical influence. I think these things are minor, and that overall it does what it is supposed to do which, is to reveal to us who God is and how to live in accordance with his will.