Global warming

[Roman57]

I am not sure why some Christians don't believe in global warming. I mean, Revelation 16:9 talks about great heat, which might be referring to global warming.

Besides, the motivation of minimizing or denying global warming is to allow industries to continue to emit gas. But, again, I don't think Christians should support it. Because microchip being mark of the beast and industries polluting the environment goes hand in hand. Of course, pollution itself is not the mark of the beast, but it is similar concept: manmade tampering with stuff God created (whether it be tampering with the environment through pollution or tampering with human bodies by inserting microchip implant).

Some Christians quote Genesis in support to being able to continue pollute the planet: basically they say God entrusted them with the role of making their own decisions of what to do with the animals or plants. But I don't think this is a good argument. Being entrusted with a role doesn't mean you can do bad things. On the contrary it means you are responsible in treating well something you been entrusted with.

Incidentally, some Christians talk about chem trails that they claim servants of future antichrist are deliberately creating. So, if they believe chem trails are a bad thing, why would they say it is just fine to pollute environment in more conventional ways?

 

[bèlla]

They question it due to weather manipulation, chemtrails, haarp and related problems. Global warming hasn't lessened the presence of private jets, yachts or similar activities by those promoting the policy the loudest.

~bella

 

[Strong in Him]

I am not sure why some Christians don't believe in global warming. I mean, Revelation 16:9 talks about great heat, which might be referring to global warming.

That's a very tenuous link. They didn't know about global warming then, so they weren't writing about it - which means that Scripture is being used to back up a modern day belief.

But, again, I don't think Christians should support it. Because microchip being mark of the beast

Who says it is?

Being entrusted with a role doesn't mean you can do bad things. On the contrary it means you are responsible in treating well something you been entrusted with.

Spot on.

 

[HTacianas]

I am not sure why some Christians don't believe in global warming. I mean, Revelation 16:9 talks about great heat, which might be referring to global warming.

Besides, the motivation of minimizing or denying global warming is to allow industries to continue to emit gas. But, again, I don't think Christians should support it. Because microchip being mark of the beast and industries polluting the environment goes hand in hand. Of course, pollution itself is not the mark of the beast, but it is similar concept: manmade tampering with stuff God created (whether it be tampering with the environment through pollution or tampering with human bodies by inserting microchip implant).

Some Christians quote Genesis in support to being able to continue pollute the planet: basically they say God entrusted them with the role of making their own decisions of what to do with the animals or plants. But I don't think this is a good argument. Being entrusted with a role doesn't mean you can do bad things. On the contrary it means you are responsible in treating well something you been entrusted with.

Incidentally, some Christians talk about chem trails that they claim servants of future antichrist are deliberately creating. So, if they believe chem trails are a bad thing, why would they say it is just fine to pollute environment in more conventional ways?

Ten thousand years ago a very large portion of North America was covered in ice. So much so that there were no trees in Canada. Global temperatures began to rise and eventually the ice began to melt. The ice continues to melt. We see it melting every day. At some point the temperature of the earth will begin to fall and the ice sheets will return.

 

[Roman57]

That's a very tenuous link. They didn't know about global warming then, so they weren't writing about it - which means that Scripture is being used to back up a modern day belief.

But scripture is the Word of God, and God knew about future global warming since God is all knowing.

Who says it is?

I used my own intuition.

 

[Roman57]

Ten thousand years ago a very large portion of North America was covered in ice.

i think what scientists found is that the rate of warming accelerated. So, without chemicals, we would still experience warming, but at a much slower rate. What happened over the past century shoukd hzve happened over the millenium.

At some point the temperature of the earth will begin to fall and the ice sheets will return.

Are you saying you don't believe we live in the end times, since you are talking about distant future and still assume it would be the earth as we know it?

 

[Roman57]

They question it due to weather manipulation, chemtrails, haarp and related problems.

Are you saying they believe global warming is a result of weather manipulation? If so, can you elaborate as to what is its purpose?

 

[HTacianas]

i think what scientist found is that the rate of warming accelerated. So, without chemicals, we woukd still experience warming, but at a much slower rate. What happened over the past century shoukd hzve happened over the millenium.



Are you saying you don't believe we live in the end times, since you are talking about distant future and still assume it would be the earth as we know it?

Yes, I am saying that I don't believe in the "end times". I believe that the next change on the earth will look a lot like the change between the old covenant and the new covenant.

 

[Roman57]

Yes, I am saying that I don't believe in the "end times". I believe that the next change on the earth will look a lot like the change between the old covenant and the new covenant.

Can you elaborate what you believe it would be, and how it would fit what the last chapters of Revelation describe?

 

[HTacianas]

Can you elaborate what you believe it would be, and how it would fit what the last chapters of Revelation describe?

I believe the Revelation goes into the greatest detail on the events of the first century. The writer then looks to the very distant future to a time when the Church's power begins to wane. As the Church gets weaker and weaker evil gets stronger and stronger until one day a dramatic change occurs and we go through the whole thing all over again. That's about it.

 

[Roman57]

I believe the Revelation goes into the greatest detail on the events of the first century. The writer then looks to the very distant future to a time when the Church's power begins to wane. As the Church gets weaker and weaker evil gets stronger and stronger until one day a dramatic change occurs and we go through the whole thing all over again. That's about it.

But then what about the resurrection of the dead?

 

[HTacianas]

But then what about the resurrection of the dead?

The resurrection of the dead will occur at the appointed time. And I wouldn't dare speculate as to what that will look like.

 

[Roman57]

The resurrection of the dead will occur at the appointed time. And I wouldn't dare speculate as to what that will look like.

So you don't think it would happen at the end of Revelation? And you don't think its soon?

When you talk about very distant future when you expect global warming turn back to cooling, are yiu saying resurrection of the dead will happen in even more distant future than that? Or are yiu saying it would happen before that, but it wont alter the physical world?

 

[Strong in Him]

But scripture is the Word of God, and God knew about future global warming since God is all knowing.

But God's word doesn't specifically say "in many years time there will be global warming".
It doesn't mention, teach about or hint at global warning.

I used my own intuition.

Your intuition is not Scripture and, in this case, is wrong.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

I am not sure why some Christians don't believe in global warming. I mean, Revelation 16:9 talks about great heat, which might be referring to global warming.

Besides, the motivation of minimizing or denying global warming is to allow industries to continue to emit gas. But, again, I don't think Christians should support it. Because microchip being mark of the beast and industries polluting the environment goes hand in hand. Of course, pollution itself is not the mark of the beast, but it is similar concept: manmade tampering with stuff God created (whether it be tampering with the environment through pollution or tampering with human bodies by inserting microchip implant).

Some Christians quote Genesis in support to being able to continue pollute the planet: basically they say God entrusted them with the role of making their own decisions of what to do with the animals or plants. But I don't think this is a good argument. Being entrusted with a role doesn't mean you can do bad things. On the contrary it means you are responsible in treating well something you been entrusted with.

Incidentally, some Christians talk about chem trails that they claim servants of future antichrist are deliberately creating. So, if they believe chem trails are a bad thing, why would they say it is just fine to pollute environment in more conventional ways?

I'm a Christian and I definitely believe climate change is happening. But then, I believe it has always been happening. And we are still coming out of a very long ice age, so warming is very welcome. I'm all for it.

However, as is suggested in my paragraph above, I don't believe mankind is causing it. This is the best rundown of the whole thing I've ever heard (I've started it at the related point):

 

[HTacianas]

So you don't think it would happen at the end of Revelation? And you don't think its soon?

When you talk about very distant future when you expect global warming turn back to cooling, are yiu saying resurrection of the dead will happen in even more distant future than that? Or are yiu saying it would happen before that, but it wont alter the physical world?

That it won't alter the physical world. As I said before, the change will be a lot like the change between the old covenant and the new. The incarnation and crucifixion brought dramatic change to the world but did not change the physical world.

 

[eleos1954]

I am not sure why some Christians don't believe in global warming. I mean, Revelation 16:9 talks about great heat, which might be referring to global warming.

Besides, the motivation of minimizing or denying global warming is to allow industries to continue to emit gas. But, again, I don't think Christians should support it. Because microchip being mark of the beast and industries polluting the environment goes hand in hand. Of course, pollution itself is not the mark of the beast, but it is similar concept: manmade tampering with stuff God created (whether it be tampering with the environment through pollution or tampering with human bodies by inserting microchip implant).

Some Christians quote Genesis in support to being able to continue pollute the planet: basically they say God entrusted them with the role of making their own decisions of what to do with the animals or plants. But I don't think this is a good argument. Being entrusted with a role doesn't mean you can do bad things. On the contrary it means you are responsible in treating well something you been entrusted with.

Incidentally, some Christians talk about chem trails that they claim servants of future antichrist are deliberately creating. So, if they believe chem trails are a bad thing, why would they say it is just fine to pollute environment in more conventional ways?

The bible does teach that the planet is "dying" (declining) so ultimately it's going to happen no matter what man does or doesn't do. However the destruction will be done by God Himself.

Man was entrusted in taking care of the planet ... we can do a better job of that .. but also understand that ultimately it is up to God.

The first destruction happens when Jesus returns and the 1st resurrection happens ... the save are taken to heaven (where Jesus is) and are there for 1,000 years ... and then the 2nd resurrection (of the lost) happens and things play out from there.

The mark of the beast is not a micro chip (it is ridiculous to think every human being would be forced and/or deceived into having one) ... the book of Revelation is clear .... it is about worship ... not anything physical. Many will be deceived into a false worship system.

We either have the seal of God or the mark of the beast. There will be a small remnant of God's people left before the return of Jesus. Who are they?

Revelation 14:12
Berean Literal Bible
Here is the endurance of the saints, those keeping the commandments of God (all of them=the seal of God), and the faith of Jesus.

Since those who keep God’s commandments are placed in contrast with those that worship the beast and his image and receive his mark, it follows that the keeping of God’s law, on the one hand, and its violation, on the other, will make the distinction between the worshipers of God and the worshipers of the beast. The special characteristic of the beast, and therefore of his image, is the breaking of God’s commandments

We keep the commandments of God out of love and for no other reasons ... it is NOT legalism as some propose. We don't keep them to be saved (which would be works) but rather keep them because we ARE saved ... out of love.

John 14:15-31 “If you love me, you will obey my commandments. I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, who will stay with you forever. He is the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God. The world cannot receive him, because it cannot see him or know him.

Gods commandments are the truth about God .... what His sterling character is and He does not change. We are to follow what God says.

Sin is transgression of the law (Gods character) satan and the 1/3 rebelled against God's laws, so did Adam & Eve and mankind has continuously been doing so since the fall ... that is why we are in the mess.

The idea that the law has been done away with is nonsense ... if one gets rid of the law they get rid of God. If the law has been abolished (and it most certainly it has not) then there is no need for a savior. Jesus died to save us From our sins (transgression of the law) not to allow us to keep on sinning.

We should examine ourselves and determine if we are progressing towards keeping the law or not. We are constantly being justified by the Lord and this is continuous throughout our earthly lifetime. We will indeed mess up here and there but we are to continue forward and the Holy Spirit will help us overcome our transgressions.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

I am not sure why some Christians don't believe in global warming. I mean, Revelation 16:9 talks about great heat, which might be referring to global warming.

Besides, the motivation of minimizing or denying global warming is to allow industries to continue to emit gas. But, again, I don't think Christians should support it. Because microchip being mark of the beast and industries polluting the environment goes hand in hand. Of course, pollution itself is not the mark of the beast, but it is similar concept: manmade tampering with stuff God created (whether it be tampering with the environment through pollution or tampering with human bodies by inserting microchip implant).

Some Christians quote Genesis in support to being able to continue pollute the planet: basically they say God entrusted them with the role of making their own decisions of what to do with the animals or plants. But I don't think this is a good argument. Being entrusted with a role doesn't mean you can do bad things. On the contrary it means you are responsible in treating well something you been entrusted with.

Incidentally, some Christians talk about chem trails that they claim servants of future antichrist are deliberately creating. So, if they believe chem trails are a bad thing, why would they say it is just fine to pollute environment in more conventional ways?

FWIW, I think the great heat will be more than something that happens over centuries. To put it mildly, I think the movie that best describes what I think will happen is "Knowing".

They even threw the return of "wheels within wheels" into that one.

To be clear, I'm just talking about the main event there. And I think it will only affect the surface of the earth, much as the great flood did.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

They question it due to weather manipulation, chemtrails, haarp and related problems.

I doubt that anything observable has anything to do with it. Rather, it comes down the their theology.

 

[bèlla]

Are you saying they believe global warming is a result of weather manipulation? If so, can you elaborate as to what is its purpose?

Look up the videos on fake snow. Several came out last year. They said it felt different and wouldn't melt and showed what happened on film.

~bella