Global warming devastates America

[gattaca]

Global warming devastates America – Telegraph Blogs




Soon children will have forgotten what snow looks like…

hey dude where's my car?

 

[Elendur]

Polar Vortex in U.S. May be Example of Global Warming | Climate Central

Also, to counter, there's still no snow here in Sweden, most ski places are desperate because of the lack of snow.

One proper reply, one half in jest and one comment to explain. You choose which is which.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The OP is conflating weather with climate.

Now this cold snap would have been news when I was growing up, it would not have been astounding news. Thirty years ago I was in Minneapolis and -20 F temperatures (without windchill) happened almost every winter. It has been quite a few years since they have seen a cold snap this bad. The coldest I ever say it in Minneapolis was a day when it was -29 and I went out in that weather. My glasses iced up so I had to take them off and then my eyelashes would freeze together every time I blinked. It was colder then than it is now.

What people will see is that every decade we will see fewer and fewer of these cold snaps. And they will tend not to be as extreme as cold snaps in the past. If you want to look at extremes you have to look at extremes in the past.

 

[Loudmouth]

Another person who thinks that a weather pattern over a few weeks in one part of one country is indicative of long term climate patterns for an entire planet.

 

[Paulos23]

And in Seattle, it is rain as normal....so what? One data point doesn't make a pattern.

 

[morningstar2651]

Climate change: The North Polar Vortex and global warming.

Winter does not disprove global warming. Yes, the temperatures are cold here in the U.S., but most of Europe is doing just fine. And while deniers chatter about the cold weather, they forget about the adjective “global”: Australia—where it’s summer—is having a massive heat wave, with some temperatures peaking over 50 C (125 F). In fact, 2013 was the hottest year on record in Australia, with temperature records broken all over the continent.

And nothing the deniers say about the polar vortex and frigid temps does anything to change the overwhelming evidence that the world is, on average, warming up, and we're the cause.

 

[gungasnake]

Russian Scientists say period of global cooling ahead due to changes in the sun | Watts Up With That?

Newsbytes: Sun’s Bizarre Activity May Trigger Another Little Ice Age (Or Not) | Watts Up With That?

 

[gungasnake]

Russian Scientists say period of global cooling ahead due to changes in the sun | Watts Up With That?

Newsbytes: Sun’s Bizarre Activity May Trigger Another Little Ice Age (Or Not) | Watts Up With That?

 

[Loudmouth]

Russian Scientists say period of global cooling ahead due to changes in the sun | Watts Up With That?

Newsbytes: Sun’s Bizarre Activity May Trigger Another Little Ice Age (Or Not) | Watts Up With That?

Doesn't change the fact that increasing atmospheric CO2 traps more heat on Earth.

 

[Chesterton]

I have no idea what's going on with the Earth's atmosphere, and neither does anyone else. But I will try my best to not attack Israel.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have no idea what's going on with the Earth's atmosphere, and neither does anyone else. But I will try my best to not attack Israel.

We are able to sample Earth's atmosphere to determine the concentration of CO2 and other gases. We are also able to drill cores out of thick ice sheets that contain bubbles from Earth's past. From that data, we have a pretty clear picture. In the last 500,000 years, carbon dioxide never got much above 300 ppm, and that was during the warmest periods. Right now, we are flirting with 400 ppm, 30% higher than any level seen over 3 periods of glaciation and interglacials. We are the reason for the massive and sudden increase in CO2 in our atmosphere. Of that there is little doubt. There is also very little doubt that this increased CO2 will trap more heat in our atmosphere and keep temperatures higher than they would otherwise be.

 

[Chesterton]

Well if I wasn't so lazy I could post my own little graph, showing how long our solar system and planet earth have existed, and how long man has existed. The existence of humanity is a tiny, tiny speck of time. We have no idea what effects we've had, and no idea what we are even measuring.

 

[sfs]

Well if I wasn't so lazy I could post my own little graph, showing how long our solar system and planet earth have existed, and how long man has existed. The existence of humanity is a tiny, tiny speck of time. We have no idea what effects we've had, and no idea what we are even measuring.

There is no logical connection between your last sentence and what came before it.

 

[1Sam15]

Well if I wasn't so lazy I could post my own little graph, showing how long our solar system and planet earth have existed, and how long man has existed. The existence of humanity is a tiny, tiny speck of time. We have no idea what effects we've had, and no idea what we are even measuring.

Well, if one actively ignores the "detection and attribution studies" that are pretty easy to find then one probably doesn't know.

Do you realize that for about 10,000 years BEFORE the 1850's the 13-C/12-C isotopic ratio of stable carbon in the atmosphere was pretty stable but about the 1850's the ratio started to DROP.

exactly as one would expect with the mass burning of fossil fuels.

Can you, using your "graph", find out what might have started in the middle of the 19th century?

(HINT: It's called the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. Do you know who was responsible for that?)

 

[Chesterton]

There is no logical connection between your last sentence and what came before it.

Does this help?:

"The instant involvement that accompanies instant technologies triggers a conservative, stabilizing, gyroscopic function in man, as reflected by the second-grader who, when requested by her teacher to compose a poem after the first Sputnik was launched into orbit, wrote: "The stars are so big / The earth is so small / Stay as you are." The little girl who wrote those lines is part of the new tribal society; she lives in a world infinitely more complex, vast and eternal than any scientist has instruments to measure or imagination to describe." - McLuhan, Playboy interview, 1969.​

 

[Chesterton]

Well, if one actively ignores the "detection and attribution studies" that are pretty easy to find then one probably doesn't know.

Do you realize that for about 10,000 years BEFORE the 1850's the 13-C/12-C isotopic ratio of stable carbon in the atmosphere was pretty stable but about the 1850's the ratio started to DROP.

Do you realize that 10,000 years is nothing whatsoever?

exactly as one would expect with the mass burning of fossil fuels.

Can you, using your "graph", find out what might have started in the middle of the 19th century?

(HINT: It's called the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION. Do you know who was responsible for that?)

I think it was England. And the Industrial Revolution is also responsible for the internet you're typing on. Progress is always a double-edged sword, just like science.

 

[[serious]]

Winter Does Not Disprove Global Warming

 

[AirPo]

No, but denialists are.

 

[sfs]

Does this help?:

"The instant involvement that accompanies instant technologies triggers a conservative, stabilizing, gyroscopic function in man, as reflected by the second-grader who, when requested by her teacher to compose a poem after the first Sputnik was launched into orbit, wrote: "The stars are so big / The earth is so small / Stay as you are." The little girl who wrote those lines is part of the new tribal society; she lives in a world infinitely more complex, vast and eternal than any scientist has instruments to measure or imagination to describe." - McLuhan, Playboy interview, 1969.​

No, doesn't help. There is still no logical connection between the size or age of the universe, and whether we understand some particular thing or not. If you were to spell it out as an actual argument, perhaps you would realize how ridiculous it is.

 

[sfs]

I think it was England. And the Industrial Revolution is also responsible for the internet you're typing on. Progress is always a double-edged sword, just like science.

Absolutely. So why is the OP trying to pretend one of the edges doesn't exist?