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Yes, because many here may interpret anthropogenic global warming (AGW) as some sort of 'Last Days' event to be found somewhere in Revelation, but that is confused thinking I was trying to counter. The reality is the Last Days started 2000 years ago in Acts 2. Peter even spells it out. You won't find Global Warming specifically predicted in Revelation simply because Revelation does not predict ANYTHING: it's a theological book describing theological realities. (Including the reality that the Lord will return one day, but that is not a 'prediction' with a certain timetable attached to it).I mean, you made a thread about global warming in a forum about Bible eschatology.
Global warming is not a conspiracy, but is known to be true from tens of thousands of peer-reviewed papers.Im all for "conspiracies" but they should at least make sense.
Why? I've dealt with this myth about 20 times in this thread! God controls EVERYTHING: not just the weather. Does that mean you don't lock your car? Does that mean you don't look both ways before crossing the road? Does it mean you don't take out insurance, or do your exercise and try to maintain a healthy weight? Does being a Christian somehow give you a sense of entitlement to pollute your neighbours yard or town with your rubbish? God designed the laws of physics, and climate change has definitely not taken him by surprise. Why does it surprise you?Im surprised you picked "global warming" given that God control the heavens and earth.
Many climate scientists are Christians. Bill McKibben discusses our Christian responsibilities on this matter. Many pastors I know discuss Christian responsibilities on this matter. I don't think you're listening.Do you honestly think its getting warmer? I looked into it but there are so many conflicting opinions and zero discussion of God on the matter.
That's like saying you're not sure about the validity of lead poisoning, so you're entitled to burn old leaded petrol if you want to because you just don't care so much. Forget the consequences for the sick and poor!Not sure where the validity in the claim can be found, but then I dont worry about the weather so much.
Does that mean you don't lock your car?
Does that mean you don't look both ways before crossing the road?
The Bible says not to worry about exercising the body, that comes from Godly living and working.Does it mean you don't take out insurance, or do your exercise and try to maintain a healthy weight?
Does being a Christian somehow give you a sense of entitlement to pollute your neighbors yard or town with your rubbish?
God designed the laws of physics, and climate change has definitely not taken him by surprise. Why does it surprise you?
The laws of physics are defined by man, thats why physics is subjective.
If you would like proof, you need look no further than your own solar system to see physics laws being objectively broken.
When you are ready to respond like an adult
The examples I gave above were not specific, but to raise whole categories of moral obligation. You obviously missed that when being snide about your garbage services.
When you are ready to respond like an adult, I'll reply in kind. You're close to being on my ignore list as a troll who cannot say anything meaningful.
The AGW scientists mentioned who do not assume to know what the stoppage could do are on the LITTLE ICE AGE program. Your ability to find things is faster than my ability to link them, so I'm sure you'll have no problem locating their quotes.
I was fortunate to hear the geologist who spoke on Limbaugh live. It is very interesting to hear a person like Limbaugh not have a comeback. He was being told his conclusions were correct, but the reasons were wrong, by an active credentialed scientist. All Limbaugh could do then, was give him air time. The geologist made it quite clear that besides being some of the most subjective science in the world, it is now tainted (as the recent UN annual report) with shear redistributionism and he said that computer modeling has replaced actual research. (I assume that is why the AGW quotes on LIA are as valuable as they are; they are not referring to models, but to actual research).
And then there's the question of Roger Moore.
It is the greatest deception in history and the extent of the damage has yet to be exposed and measured, says Dr. Tim Ball in his new book, The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science.
Dr. Ball has been a climatologist for more than forty years
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Ball and the organizations he is affiliated with have repeatedly made the claim that he is the first Canadian PhD in climatology. Ball himself claimed he was one of the first climatology PhD's in the world. [3], [4]
Many have pointed out that there have been numerous PhD's in the field prior to Ball. [5]
Ball was a former professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. The University of Winnipeg never had an office of Climatology. His degree was in historical geography and not climatology.
It is the greatest deception in history and the extent of the damage has yet to be exposed and measured, says Dr. Tim Ball in his new book, The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science.
Dr. Ball has been a climatologist for more than forty years and was one of the earliest critics of the global warming hoax that was initiated by the United Nations environmental program that was established in 1972 and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) established in 1988.
Several UN conferences set in motion the hoax that is based on the assertion that carbon dioxide (CO2) was causing a dramatic surge in heating the Earth. IPCC reports have continued to spread this lie through their summaries for policy makers that influenced policies that have caused nations worldwide to spend billions to reduce and restrict CO2 emissions. Manmade climate changecalled anthropogenic global warmingcontinues to be the message though mankind plays no role whatever.
There is no scientific support for the UN theory.
CO2, despite being a minor element of the Earths atmosphere, is essential for all life on Earth because it is the food that nourishes all vegetation. The Earth has passed through many periods of high levels of CO2 and many cycles of warming and cooling that are part of the life of the planet.
Science works by creating theories based on assumptions, Dr. Ball notes, then other scientistsperforming their skeptical roletest them. The structure and mandate of the IPCC was in direct contradiction of this scientific method. They set out to prove the theory rather than disprove it.
The atmosphere, Dr. Ball notes, is three-dimensional and dynamic, so building a computer model that even approximates reality requires far more data than exists and much greater understanding of an extremely turbulent and complex system. No computer model put forth by the IPCC in support of global warming has been accurate, nor ever could be.
Most of the reports were created by a small group of men working within the Climate Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia and all were members of the IPCC. The result was a totally false picture supposedly based on science.
The revelations of emails between the members of the CRU were made available in 2009 by an unknown source. Dr. Ball quotes Phil Jones, the Director of the CRU at the time of the leaks, and Tom Wigley, a former director addressing other CRU members admitting that Many of the uncertainties surrounding the cause of climate change will never be resolved because the necessary data are lacking.
The IPCC depended upon the publics lack of knowledge regarding the science involved and the global warming hoax was greatly aided because the mainstream media bought into and promoted the unproven theory. Scientists who challenged were denied funding and marginalized. National environmental policies were introduced based on the misleading information of the IPCC summaries of their reports.
By the time of the 2001 IPCC Third Assessment Report, the politics and hysteria about climate change had risen to a level that demanded clear evidence of a human signal, notes Dr. Ball. An entire industry had developed around massive funding from government. A large number of academic, political, and bureaucratic careers had evolved and depended on expansion of the evidence. Environmentalists were increasing pressure on the public and thereby politicians.
The growing problem for the CRU and the entire global warming hoax was that no clear evidence existed to blame mankind for changes in the climate and still largely unknown to the public was the fact that the Earth has passed through many natural cycles of warmth and cooling. If humans were responsible, how could the CRU explain a succession of ice ages over millions of years?
The CRU emails revealed their growing concerns regarding a cooling cycle that had begun in the late 1990s and now, some seventeen years later, the Earth is in a widely recognized cooling cycle.
Moreover, the hoax was aimed at vast reductions in the use of coal, oil, and natural gas, as well as nuclear power to produce the electricity on which all modern life depends. There was advocacy of solar and wind power to replace them and nations undertook costly programs to bring about the reduction of the CO2 fossil fuels produced and spent billions on the green energy. That program is being abandoned.
At the heart of the hoax is a contempt for mankind and a belief that population worldwide should be reduced. The science advisor to President Obama, John Holdren, has advocated forced abortions, sterilization by introducing infertility drugs into the nations drinking water and food, and other totalitarian measures. Overpopulation is still central to the use of climate change as a political vehicle, warns Dr. Ball.
Given that the environmental movement has been around since the 1960s, it has taken decades for the public to grasp its intent and the torrents of lies that have been used to advance it. More people, notes Dr. Ball, are starting to understand that what theyre told about climate change by academia, the mass media, and the government is wrong, especially the propaganda coming from the UN and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
Ridiculous claimslike the science is settled or the debate is overtriggered a growing realization that something was wrong. When the global warming advocates began to tell people that cooling is caused by warming, the public has realized how absurd the entire UN climate change argument has been.
Worse, however, has been the deliberate deceptions, misinformation, manipulation of records and misapplying scientific method and research to pursue a political objective. Much of this is clearly unlawful, but it is unlikely that any of those who perpetrated the hoax will ever be punished and, in the case of Al Gore and the IPCC, they shared a Nobel Peace Prize!
We are all in debt to Dr. Ball and a score of his fellow scientists who exposed the lies and debunked the hoax; their numbers are growing with thousands of scientists signing petitions and participating in international conferences to expose this massive global deception
Thanks to Shock and 7s for the good articles!
You're winking sarcastically because you know Tim Ball is a geography professor? He has no qualifications to write about climate science. None.
It really is sad how deceitful the world has become....
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