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Global warming and the end

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parousia70

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The other 'good news' is that global warming COULD be like lead poisoning, or sewerage in our drinking water, or smallpox. It could be one of those societal dangers that we FIX, and that becomes an issue of the past. It really could.


Remember the Hole in the Ozone?

When it was discovered everyone took it seriously, there were no whackadoodle Ozone hole deniers...we discovered pretty quick that Human beings use of CFC's were causing it and an international treaty was signed and by and large, the WORLD STOPPED PRODUCING THE STUFF, and Viola! the Hole closed.

Yes it can be done, and yes we are charged by our creator to do it.
 
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About two weeks ago a geologist talked to Limbaugh and said "you have the right conclusions but the wrong reasons. Here's the right reasons. 1, we are still in an ice age. Ice ages have always been defined by caps. There are caps, now. We could stand to warm up. 2, we now know there are 4 kinds of natural gases that produce CO2. Most measurements of the past are therefore way off. The idea that we "know" where we should be at is the most subjective science today.

And then, of course, there is Roger Moore.
 
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I reread THE LITTLE ICE AGE recently and there is one point to consider perhaps above others. (The LIA is a history of weather especially of the late medieval centuries but up to the 'year without a summer' in 1815 in N Europe and NE USA.). The clincher point was not a "proof" of either warming or cooling. It was that warming freshens the N. Atlantic and this stops a major cycle of warm water that is pulled north. When that stops the north gets cold, maybe in a decade.

The climate scientists who are aware of this are all anthropogenic warming subscribers but they say no one know what happens next. I listen to honest scientists who say they really don't know rather than these ranters who stay up over night in the US congress.

Well, maybe a clue is this past winter?
 
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This is an outright lie, and its the very opposite of the real facts
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I have yet to run across the very first call from a global warming skeptic to stop alarmists from peddling their nonsense. But I have seen repeated calls from global warming alarmists to use force to silence the skeptics, even to the point of calling for imprisonment and/or fines against all such.

Conservatives never attempt to use force to silence their opposition. But that is a standard tool of the left. This has always been a main difference between the actions of God and Satan. God uses gentle persuasion, inviting men to repent. And Satan always tries to silence his opposition by any means possible.
 
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What a surprise: a geologist asserted a bunch of rubbish outside their field of expertise. Next you'll be telling us the sky is blue! Many geologists seem to be denialists, and it is because they have the big view of the earth and think they can therefore also understand the big view of climate. They're very opinionated, and very wrong.

But there are geologists that work with climate scientists in trying to understand climate, and provide necessary information. Yes, technically speaking we are still in an 'ice age' because there is ice on the earth. And if you knew the slightest thing about the climate, that is totally irrelevant to what we are actually discussing: it's a semantic game. But denialists are big on those, and once again you've submitted a post without any links to peer reviewed science.
 
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This is the outright truth, and is congruent with the real facts.


  • Big coal is trying to have laws passed banning climate scientists and activists from speaking out against companies pushing their deadly product onto the energy market. They're agitating to ban free speech and the ability for people to be informed about what their superannuation is invested in.
  • Climate deniers write thousands of death threats a day to climate scientists.
  • W.H.O. updated their estimates of coal particulate deaths around the globe, and the world kills 7 million people a year by burning coal! We have a Christian duty to stop burning coal and start burning nuclear waste in clean, safe, modern reactors that would have easily withstood the Fukushima tidal wave and power outages.

Conservatives never attempt to use force to silence their opposition.
This is an outright lie.
1. You have no right to equate all deniers with 'Conservatives'. Many Conservatives agree with Christian climate writer, Bill McKibben, when he defines the radicals as those who want to DOUBLE a dangerous portion of the chemical composition of our atmosphere for profit!
2. You have insufficient data of just how big coal and oil are funding climate deniers. Just the quotes below should prove embarrassing enough, but there are many, many moves like it around the world. Money is power: and power corrupts. Some climate deniers become unhinged and start issuing death threats to climate scientists: some of whom are your Christian brothers and sisters! Below is the example I raised above. Don't hate me: it's just the truth.
3. Because we ARE causing climate change and it IS ALREADY hurting a bunch of people and MAY hurt more in the future (if the Lord doesn't return tonight!***) and just the immediate particulate dust from fossil fuels kills 7 million people a year, it's time to move to clean energy!
(***As an Amil I know that he will return like a thief and totally upset everyone's timetables and expectations! But the expectation that the Lord could return any time did not stop the great social justice movements of the past, such as Wilberforce banning slavery and various other mechanisms of protecting the poor by protecting them from industrial pollution etc.)




Mining lobby may join industry push to ban environmental boycotts | Business | theguardian.com

But that is a standard tool of the left. This has always been a main difference between the actions of God and Satan. God uses gentle persuasion, inviting men to repent. And Satan always tries to silence his opposition by any means possible.
Big coal are not very godly then!
 
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7S, you've been taken in by a denialist meme. Please read a little bit more about this complex topic, and stop spreading big coal's lies for them: the coal & oil particulates kill 7 million people a year, and are messing up the climate so bad that this number will soon go much, much higher.

Here is the myth you just quoted: and the answer!
ANSWER!

Does cold weather disprove global warming?
 
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You are forgetting that most of the "scientists" who signed the bog global warming alarmist statement were not experts in any related field. But all the five thousand plus that signed the anti-global warming petition were actually certified to be experts in related fields.
 
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That has been totally disproved. Everyone familiar with the actual data knows that global temperatures have stabalized. Even the leaked e-mails discussed how to hide this "inconvenient truth."
 
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You're forgetting that the IPCC members were (mostly) experts in their various fields, and that the 'petition' you're talking about was a farcical joke that did not verify WHO was signing or what they were actually qualified in. Mickey Mouse? Luke Skywalker? Are you serious? Please grow up a bit!
 
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That has been totally disproved. Everyone familiar with the actual data knows that global temperatures have stabalized. Even the leaked e-mails discussed how to hide this "inconvenient truth."
This has not been totally disproved. Everyone familiar with the actual data knows that global temperatures have continued to increase despite the oceans taking up enormous amounts of heat. The leaked emails do not undermine the science, as found by countless investigations and committees, and are only harped on about by sad old armchair conspiracy theorists who don't have anything better to do with their time.
 
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Wow, somebody cut and paste a picture of Al Gore and put funny writing under it. Gee, this whole global warming thing must be a sham and the science debunked because someone ran a b-grade photoshop job. I'm devastated. No really.
 
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Gore has made tons of money on his nonsense. That's why he's in it. Not because it's true.

The scientists who say this winter is a clue to what can happen with the stoppage of the Atlantic circulation are all MIT / Woods Hole / whateverpeeryouneed. they all believe in anthropogenic warming, as far as that goes. But they are all honest and say they don't know what will happen when the Atlantic is too fresh, nor why it could not repeat all the phenomenon of the last stoppage.
 
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Can we talk about the Global Cooling epidemic??
You're now trolling and this is against forum policy. Please try to say something substantive, or just don't comment at all. Your behaviour so far has just been to blow raspberries: try to act like an adult, thanks.
 
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Your ability to actually LINK to peer-reviewed scientific sources is amazing. Want to try again?
 
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