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The scriptures are God's word, and help us approach real life issues compassionately. Therefore, my understanding of climate science is that it is REAL, it is SERIOUS, and we are OBLIGATED to do what we can to wean our nations off coal, oil, and gas. It's that simple.
Lol, if your understanding of spiritual gifts isnt affirmed by scripture, well friend, I dont know what will.
I've seen all sorts of horrors committed in the charismatic church, enough to wince at this kind of blind faith that is not biblically informed faith. I'm disgusted at some of the showmanship I've seen at so called 'healing conferences.' A friend of mine saw an old lady get up out of a wheelchair, and naturally the crowd went mental. When he asked her what had happened, the lovely old dear explained she had this really sore knee that couldn't get raised more than 'here' (about 20 cm off the ground) and now she could raise it another 10 cm! Woah! Big whoop-de-doo. The crowd thought they saw a paraplegic healed!Regarding healing, enough people with the spirit can remove any sickness..
I've seen people lose their faith over speaking in tongues when they realised it was their own psychological state. People who speak in tongues in France have 'French accentuated' tongues, and other people around the world speak completely different vowel and consonant sets depending on their language. In other words, it is a butchering of the language they speak, NOT some universal heavenly inspired 'gift.' People in other faiths also speak in 'tongues'. It's a fairly easy psychological state to induce. But hey, if you REALLY have the 'gift' of discernment, and you REALLY want to 'test' the tongues, just go and record it and get your top 10 'interpreters' to interpret it for you, independently of each other. Yeah, I'm sure you'll use your 'gift' of disernment on that project right away!I havent had a single person in my current family get very sick or die, so ive not resorted to healing yet, but I have witnessed people speaking in tongues and its quite an experience!!!
What did Jesus say??
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Yeah, sure, I'm going to die for your sins and raise to new life and save the world and then, just like some ascended mormon 'god', go off and create a whole new world! SURE we are capable of doing everything Christ did, including making the world!Everything Christ did, we are capable of, but peoples lack of faith blocks this..
Study these verses again, and justify your understanding of these gifts.Study these verses again, surely you can pinpoint your gift.
Is prophecy different to declaring the gospel message that if people don't repent and turn to Christ, they'll end up separated from Him for all eternity? Is prophecy different to words of knowledge? Where does the New Testament actually EXPLAIN what the difference is between teaching, prophecy, and words of knowledge? Or have you just unthinkingly inherited a bunch of church traditions and experiences without actually DISCERNING that they're all made up by the charismatic movement, are often over-rated cheap psychological tricks or show business gone wrong, and are often completely unjustifiable when actually analysing the texts in the first place? What is a gift of healing? My son was sick. We prayed. We used chemo. He got better. He was healed. Isn't that healing?My mothers gift is Faith.
My wifes gift is Giving.
My gift is discernment.
My Pastors gift is teacher.
Please don't pretend to know me because you consult your gut feelings after a few brief exchanges over the internet. You've never met me, and I'm not open to your 'Spirit' which could actually be more dependent on how much sleep you got last night, or the state of your digestion.What is your gift?? If I go by Spirit, Id say your gift is Faith, which is a pretty powerful gift to have..
I'm saying mine is, and yours isn't! PROVE from scripture that you have the right to 'discern' that climate change is an Anti-Christ plot! Go on! Where does the New Testament unpack your so called 'gift of discernment' to this point? It doesn't!
I've seen all sorts of horrors committed in the charismatic church, enough to wince at this kind of blind faith that is not biblically informed faith. I'm disgusted at some of the showmanship I've seen at so called 'healing conferences.' A friend of mine saw an old lady get up out of a wheelchair, and naturally the crowd went mental. When he asked her what had happened, the lovely old dear explained she had this really sore knee that couldn't get raised more than 'here' (about 20 cm off the ground) and now she could raise it another 10 cm! Woah! Big whoop-de-doo. The crowd thought they saw a paraplegic healed!
I've seen people lose their faith over speaking in tongues when they realised it was their own psychological state. People who speak in tongues in France have 'French accentuated' tongues, and other people around the world speak completely different vowel and consonant sets depending on their language. In other words, it is a butchering of the language they speak, NOT some universal heavenly inspired 'gift.' People in other faiths also speak in 'tongues'. It's a fairly easy psychological state to induce. But hey, if you REALLY have the 'gift' of discernment, and you REALLY want to 'test' the tongues, just go and record it and get your top 10 'interpreters' to interpret it for you, independently of each other. Yeah, I'm sure you'll use your 'gift' of disernment on that project right away!
But the Greek word is LANGUAGES! In cosmopolitan Corinth, Paul was merely asking that someone pray for an interpreter to be there and for the gift of being able to interpret clearly to people with different languages, just as we might pray that someone who speaks English to an English audience be able to speak their sermon clearly, as my pastor no doubt will in about an hour. (I'm about to go to church, where, fortunately, no one takes over the stage just to babble).
No, he didn't say BELIEVETH, that's an archaic English-ism for people who think the KJV is a superior version and think talking silly is somehow more 'godly'. The KJV used some of the worst Greek manuscripts we have, and they were produced by a humanist who often guessed at the Greek by back translating from the Latin! We now have far better.
Why Does the King James Bible Have Some Different Verses Than Modern Translations? – Justin Taylor
Regarding your actual point, I can only think that this verse refers to the sheer number of people converted. For are you blasphemous enough to think that we are going to do better actual 'works' than Jesus death and resurrection, that even the angels still wonder at?
Only Jesus Christ was able to die for our sins, I am a sinner, therefore my life is not pure and I am not worthy to take sin into myself, as I am a sinner already..Yeah, sure, I'm going to die for your sins and raise to new life and save the world and then, just like some ascended mormon 'god', go off and create a whole new world! SURE we are capable of doing everything Christ did, including making the world!
I just gave them to you, is the bible not self explanatory for you??? You should seek a teacher to assist you.Study these verses again, and justify your understanding of these gifts.
Is prophecy different to declaring the gospel message that if people don't repent and turn to Christ, they'll end up separated from Him for all eternity? Is prophecy different to words of knowledge? Where does the New Testament actually EXPLAIN what the difference is between teaching, prophecy, and words of knowledge? Or have you just unthinkingly inherited a bunch of church traditions and experiences without actually DISCERNING that they're all made up by the charismatic movement, are often over-rated cheap psychological tricks or show business gone wrong, and are often completely unjustifiable when actually analysing the texts in the first place? What is a gift of healing? My son was sick. We prayed. We used chemo. He got better. He was healed. Isn't that healing?
Please don't pretend to know me because you consult your gut feelings after a few brief exchanges over the internet. You've never met me, and I'm not open to your 'Spirit' which could actually be more dependent on how much sleep you got last night, or the state of your digestion.
Yes, I love the message of Corinthians on gifts, but absolutely can't STAND reading it in the horribly inaccurate and camp Shakespearean sounding KJV. I'm just saying that the message of Corinthians on gifts is that we accept and enable each other's unique gifts, that PEOPLE are gifts to the church with our different talents and abilities, that quite often gifts are people's secular abilities (administration, etc) or God's special grace to people (like my son getting sick with cancer but still being alive years later) and yet I don't see much 'miraculous' stuff in the gifts at all! I don't see the gifts really being SPIRIT gifts, but gifts to the church of the different PEOPLE who belong there. But hey, if you've got absolute scriptural proof about what these gifts are, then go ahead. Right now you're just using assumptions and fairly recent charismatic traditions to colour your reading of the verses.
And nothing justifies your attitude to condemning the peer-reviewed climate science. Nothing.
Not on these matters, no! There are vague *hints* at the differences between them, but nothing explanatory. When one is free to ask the question honestly, and not terrified that some Charismatic tradition might show up to be a bunch of baloney, then there is actually a lot about the gifts that we can only guess at.I just gave them to you, is the bible not self explanatory for you??? You should seek a teacher to assist you.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.Prophecy is a gift given by God that we might understand the times.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.Those with discernment have the ability to contrast reality with prophecy for understanding of the times.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible. The healing miracles were 'signs and wonders' so that we might know who Jesus was, and then by the Apostles so that we might know who they were. (Sign's of an Apostle). I do NOT think healing is a spiritual gift that is practiced today. It was a miraculous power, a sign and wonder, for a specific time in Christian history in a specific context: the declaration of who Jesus was, and the proclamation of the gospel by the Apostles. We simply don't have it today. It doesn't work, and blaming people for not having enough faith is downright NASTY and UNCHRISTIAN when it is not promised to everyone for all time!Yes it is healing, but you could have done that with faith.. Sorry, I take faith seriously..
Prove that from the bible. You DO the gut feeling thing because you keep claiming extra scriptural revelation: you keep claiming to "know" stuff beyond that which the bible teaches. Great. How do you get this? Dreams? Whispering auditory hallucinations in your ear? Inner impressions? Gut feelings? Vibes? Feelings from bad childhood experiences? Feelings from listening to too much of the wrong kind of music late at night? How does your "Given in the spirit" actually work?Interesting... I dont do the "gut" feeling thing... I am only given in Spirit by faith in Christ..
Not on these matters, no! There are vague *hints* at the differences between them, but nothing explanatory. When one is free to ask the question honestly, and not terrified that some Charismatic tradition might show up to be a bunch of baloney, then there is actually a lot about the gifts that we can only guess at.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible.
Prove it, from the New Testament. I don't think you can, and that's why you attack my character with lazy ad hom's. Go on. Prove it from the bible. The healing miracles were 'signs and wonders' so that we might know who Jesus was, and then by the Apostles so that we might know who they were. (Sign's of an Apostle). I do NOT think healing is a spiritual gift that is practiced today. It was a miraculous power, a sign and wonder, for a specific time in Christian history in a specific context: the declaration of who Jesus was, and the proclamation of the gospel by the Apostles. We simply don't have it today. It doesn't work, and blaming people for not having enough faith is downright NASTY and UNCHRISTIAN when it is not promised to everyone for all time!
All we have is prayer, and as Paul's wound in the flesh makes clear, sometimes God answers our prayers with YES, and sometimes he answers them with NO. Blaming someone for not having enough FAITH is downright disgusting and you're turning me off. It's just foul pastoral abuse, and you should be ashamed.
Prove that from the bible. You DO the gut feeling thing because you keep claiming extra scriptural revelation: you keep claiming to "know" stuff beyond that which the bible teaches. Great. How do you get this? Dreams? Whispering auditory hallucinations in your ear? Inner impressions? Gut feelings? Vibes? Feelings from bad childhood experiences? Feelings from listening to too much of the wrong kind of music late at night? How does your "Given in the spirit" actually work?
Do you honestly think this kind of superior answer is going to impress me? Dude, I'm saying you need to demonstrate why you read the bible the way you do.
If you are separate from the truth of the Bible, then Im not sure why you think I will open your eyes. Only God can do that..
Get off your high horse and stop changing the topic. How about you obey the forum rules, and just humour me for a minute and assume I'm a Christian for once. Stop patronising me and stay on the subject!Have you personally accepted Christ? Or were you just raised in a Christian family and call yourself that?? Thats a huge issue in the States for example, most americans call themselves Christians by association, but are no more Christian than Barrack Obama..
You're only getting defensive because you haven't got the theological grounding to even begin proving that I'm going 'against the bible'. I'm fully convinced by the argument of the Sydney Anglican church that we are presenting the bible, and correcting Charismatic distortions of the bible.I go on the offensive only when someone argues against the Bible, which everyone can see you are clearly doing..
When you choose to grow up and answer my questions instead of pretending you can accuse me of doing things I'm not doing, then I might take you seriously. But as you said, you go and make video's before you have even a moderate level of biblical theology worked out. Even though this has become a little heated (because you keep sidetracking this way off the topic of climate change), I'm trying to help you.You want to defame and mitigate the word, I dont tempt God that way..
Oh dry up! You're not meant to question whether someone is a Christian when they tell you they are! It's the forum rules.All you keep doing is asking for proof, I sense you arent exactly a true believer...
When you come into my thread and denigrate global warming as an anti-Christ plot, I'm entitled to ask why you think so. When you tell me rubbish like you're 'given in the Spirit' to understand this, I'm entitled to ask why you think the Spirit defies the laws of physics as demonstrated in any decent physics lab on the planet.Unbelievers ask for proof...
Believers also use discernment when they read the word so that they can read it correctly. I'm not asking you to demonstrate the truth of the whole bible to me: that it's God word to us is a given in this conversation: can we agree on that? I'm asking you to prove YOUR interpretation of it. So get of your high horse and do some work!Believers put full faith in the Word, which you seem to have an issue wrapping your mind around.
Oh grow up! I believe those chapters from Corinthians are God's word, I really do. But if you're not up to proving WHY you read them the way you do, then just admit so, retract your absolute balderdash about Global Warming being an AC plot, and leave this conversation to more rational people.I can show you scripture, then you follow up with "prove it", you are closed from truth.. All I can do is pray for you bro...
Do you honestly think this kind of superior answer is going to impress me? Dude, I'm saying you need to demonstrate why you read the bible the way you do.
Get off your high horse and stop changing the topic. How about you obey the forum rules, and just humour me for a minute and assume I'm a Christian for once. Stop patronising me and stay on the subject!
Start answering the questions for once! Prove the things I've asked you about the gifts, from the bible.
You're only getting defensive because you haven't got the theological grounding to even begin proving that I'm going 'against the bible'. I'm fully convinced by the argument of the Sydney Anglican church that we are presenting the bible, and correcting Charismatic distortions of the bible.
When you choose to grow up and answer my questions instead of pretending you can accuse me of doing things I'm not doing, then I might take you seriously. But as you said, you go and make video's before you have even a moderate level of biblical theology worked out. Even though this has become a little heated (because you keep sidetracking this way off the topic of climate change), I'm trying to help you.
Do you know what the difference between Systematic Theology and Biblical Theology is? Do you know how the Old Testament is to be read in relationship with the New Testament? Because only once you can start seeing the big picture behind the bible, the unfolding plan of God as revealed to be opening up in the Old Testament and moving through to the New Testament, can you begin to have a hope of seeing the Lord's miracles as the Signs and Wonders that they really are.
Oh dry up! You're not meant to question whether someone is a Christian when they tell you they are! It's the forum rules.
When you come into my thread and denigrate global warming as an anti-Christ plot, I'm entitled to ask why you think so. When you tell me rubbish like you're 'given in the Spirit' to understand this, I'm entitled to ask why you think the Spirit defies the laws of physics as demonstrated in any decent physics lab on the planet.
I'm asking you why you read the scriptures the way you do just as the Bereans asked Paul.
Acts 17
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
I'm checking to see what you say is true. So far, you've not done a clear enough job explaining why you read the bible the way you do, and so that's your fault, not mine. So you resort to cheap ad homs.
Believers also use discernment when they read the word so that they can read it correctly. I'm not asking you to demonstrate the truth of the whole bible to me: that it's God word to us is a given in this conversation: can we agree on that? I'm asking you to prove YOUR interpretation of it. So get of your high horse and do some work!
Oh grow up! I believe those chapters from Corinthians are God's word, I really do. But if you're not up to proving WHY you read them the way you do, then just admit so, retract your absolute balderdash about Global Warming being an AC plot, and leave this conversation to more rational people.
I believe all of those verses, but none of them justify your subjective conspiracy theory rants against climate science. None. They're the bible's own testimony about biblical prophets: they're not about YOU, but about the prophets in the bible. Try again.
Rev_1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
2Pe_1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
(Prophecy is objective in nature)
2Pe_1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
1Ti_4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Rom_12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
I believe all of those verses, but none of them justify your subjective conspiracy theory rants against climate science. None. They're the bible's own testimony about biblical prophets: they're not about YOU, but about the prophets in the bible. Try again.
Also, I don't even accept that Revelation is a book of prophecies about the future (except in that it includes the prediction that the Lord will one day return, which is about as much 'prophecy' as a basic gospel declaration because the Lord's return is part of our good news!) Revelation is the gospel writ large in metaphorical biblical symbolism. It's true, it's encouraging, but it is NOT a timetable of the last few years of this world. Otherwise it would have been irrelevant for the last 2000 years worth of Christians, wouldn't it? I don't think you've thought that through. But I'm convinced that nothing in Revelation is a 'timetable' of 'last days' events, but a theology of the last days... 2000 years and counting! (See Acts 2. We've been in the Last Days since the Holy Spirit was given to the church).
So your out of context quote from Revelation to try and explain global warming? It's just the wrong way to read important verses of the bible which are actually symbolic of God's judgement of various people now. But I'm simply not prepared to discuss Revelation with you further until you justify why you think you're given special powers to interpret the times, and how those special powers work (voice in your head? Feeling in your gut? Words in the sky? Trees falling from branches? Dice? What is it you DO or think you experience to 'commune' with the Spirit and get direct messages from Him?) The Sufficiency of Scriptures basically leads me not to expect extra words from God today, and indeed, God's word seems to forbid expecting such a thing. God communicates through his GOD BREATHED word, but apparently the bible doesn't satisfy you. It's not enough to trust God at His word. You've got to pester him for more!
Oh, Im sorry, I almost forgot there is no objective data to prove global warming exists..
We could have ended the conversation there lol...
God is objective, men are subjective.
You let those men preach about this world and how it works to you.. Ill listen to God..
You see, the real problem behind using those prophecy verses the way you were trying to is that you were claiming to have the authority to write scripture. You were claiming that kind of special authority.
But the bible seems to indicate the winding down of prophecy since Jesus fulfilled OT prophecy and the Last Days began 2000 years ago. (Also reference Acts 2 for the Last Days beginning 2000 years ago).
Hebrews 1
1 In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.
That is, Jesus is not only the WORD, he is God's final word. The message of the gospel through the disciples is the only authority by which we can live.
That means we don't 'put out a Gideon's fleece' when seeking 'guidance'. In fact, Gideon is not a model for guidance but a warning against testing God! God had ALREADY given his guidance, but Gideon was testing him!
Don’t get fleeced by Gideon’s guidance! | The Briefing
We pray and read our bibles and talk with elders in our church for 'guidance.' The bible is all we need. It's all God promises for us as far as leading us. There are many promises to guide the disciples, and give THEM infallible words from the Spirit as they witnessed and eventually wrote the bible; and even writing the bible was done using their unique personality and academic skill set and language ability. But it is nevertheless, still God-breathed and sufficient for our needs.
To argue otherwise is to leave evangelical Christianity. Catholics prefer the 'authority' of tradition inherited from history and tinkered with by the Pope, Liberals prefer the 'authority' of reason and what can be tested with science and the logic of human philosophy, Charismatics prefer the 'authority' of their own personal experience in dreams and subjectivity, and Evangelicals prefer the VERY REAL authority of Scripture itself. We also appreciate the value of tradition, reason, and experience. But these are not our final authority. We also value the correct hermeneutics of the passage, understanding the various literature formats of the bible. Much of early Genesis is quite a structured symbolic piece of prose, almost like poetry, just as the end of the bible is very symbolic. Some is literal. Some is historical. Some is biographical. We have to use reason when looking at each piece of literature. We also appreciate the great traditions of the Protestant church, and are rightly hesitant and conservative when someone wants to change something just for change sake. We value the historical creeds and many church practices handed down to us. But if it is good for the gospel, we will try new things, such as new service formats, new target ministries, new technologies, new music. We also preach on the power of experiences in our lives, and appreciate the need for help and assistance in more challenging seasons of our lives. But none of these other things are the final authority in our faith. Only scripture has that role.
Claiming those verses of prophecy for yourself was just plain heresy!
Finally, there is heaps of evidence for global warming. Let's start with the basics. Have you ever seen how CO2 traps heat? If you want to *see* the way CO2 actually traps heat, please watch the following video. It shows how candle *light* can penetrate a tube filled with Co2 but a candle's *heat* cannot. The demonstration starts at 90 seconds in but the whole video itself is well worth watching.
This Year's Model - YouTube
For a greenhouse gas, such as carbon dioxide, radiative transfer codes that examine each spectral line for atmospheric conditions can be used to calculate the change ΔF as a function of changing concentration. These calculations can often be simplified into an algebraic formulation that is specific to that gas.
For instance, the simplified first-order approximation expression for carbon dioxide is:
where C is the CO2 concentration in parts per million by volume and C0 is the reference concentration.[6] The relationship between carbon dioxide and radiative forcing is logarithmic, and thus increased concentrations have a progressively smaller warming effect.
Monckton Myth #3: Linear WarmingTemperature Response to CO2
Monckton claims that an exponential increase in atmospheric CO2 concentration would result in a linear increase in global temperature. But of course that depends on what the exponent is in the exponential increase. Monckton is referring to the logarithmic relationship between radiative forcing (which is directly proportional to the change in surface temperature at equilibrium) and the atmospheric CO2 increase. Note that we are not currently at equilibrium as there is a planetary energy imbalance, and thus further warming 'in the pipeline' from the carbon we've already emitted. Therefore, estimates of the rate of warming due to CO2 thus far will will be underestimates, unless accounting for this 'warming in the pipeline' (which Monckton does not).
This logarithmic relationship means that each doubling of atmospheric CO2 will cause the same amount of warming at the Earth's surface. Thus if it takes as long to increase atmospheric CO2 from 560 to 1120 ppmv as it did to rise from 280 to 560 ppmv, for example, then the associated warming at the Earth's surface will be roughly linear. So the question then becomes, how fast do we expect atmospheric CO2 to rise over the next century?
Sorry, I don't read this silly corrupted old version made from only 6 Greek manuscripts from the 12th century. Unlike you, I like modern versions that use 1000 times as many Greek manuscripts, and from 1000 years earlier as well!Can you show me in scripture how God doesnt control the weather?
Tell me, are these verses allegorical? metaphorical?
Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
Job 37:6 For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.
Job 37:7 He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.
Job 37:8 Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.
Job 37:9 Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.
Job 37:10 By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.
Sorry, but it is. Fossil fuel consumption has grown exponentially throughout the Industrial Revolution, with an approximate doubling time for oil of every 10 years. (Oil may stall as we approach the peak of conventional oil sources, but there's enough coal and gas left to cook the planet a few times over).co2 is not growing "exponentially" as you put it...
That is not an answer! You're the one claiming to be the plant expert. You're the one who claimed CO2 was good for all plants! Now you need to run along and find out why all those pesky agriculturalists are in on your imaginary 'conspiracy'.Regarding plants, they function much in the way humans do.. For example, the Bible says a man who doesnt work, doesnt eat and doesnt sleep..
Teaching me how to suck eggs?Likewise, a plant wont utilize more light or co2 than it needs to create carbohydrates through the process known as photosynthesis.
Nah, nothing at all.Concerning Co2, weve seen nothing to suggest that the planet is "warming" or trapping more heat..
Personally, I think you're running and hiding from all the data I've shown above, and not only deceiving us all, but worst of all, deceiving yourself! One day you could end up with a major crisis of faith when you wake up and realise this stuff is for real. I just hope your Christianity survives that day! I'm trying to help.Personally, I think the augmented climates have more to do with fallacies with the Gregorian calender, and its finally catching up with us..
False! It's actually happening. Yes, sometimes the cooling is way weird and severe. Guess what? Warmer poles = less stable jet streams (because there is not as much temperature differential between the poles and equator) = 'wobbly' jet streams = arctic weather sometimes moving south. That's how you get super-cold snaps in a generally warmer world. In other words, the climate is warming: but sometimes this creates pockets of colder weather! (That's not me:I'm not smart enough to measure all that. It's from Catalyst.)Meaning, its getting warmer earlier, and cool earlier during the seasons, but that has more to do with our perception of timing, not the actual temps..
I already showed you. Tell me truthfully, do you even bother to read my posts?I suppose If you could show me that weve had the highest recorded temps in human history, id be inclined to agree somewhat, but record heat has always been recorded, and the contrary, with record lows being recorded as well.
I don't know why: plenty of mathematicians are already involved in the peer-reviewed discussions.I guess my understanding prevents me from believing in Global warming from a mathematical position, ultimately I will have to agree to disagree with your claims.
What!? Fox News is the greatest sources of climate DENIAL! And thought this was all the AC!? Are you making up your counter-theories as you go along?I remember when gw went mainstream, personally, I think its an agenda pushed by the news..
Pffft! They're not LOOKING!None of my colleagues can find actual evidence for it, granted, it was never our job to track the season temp changes..
What interests me is that you DON'T RESPOND TO THE DATA and then run and chat about other little bits and pieces and make up new theories all the time.What interests me is that after 72 pages on the topic, you appear to be invested in the notion, even tho credible and peer reviewed research suggests that gw is nothing more than an elaborate theory.
Yeah, cause they had 'the news' back when Joseph Fourier discovered greenhouse gases in the 1830's. But hey, go tell yourself another story!The News somehow knew about GW before science was able to test the theory.. I find that to be suspect, but hey..
Spiritual fluff and self-pious twaddle to avoid the DATA!Depends on what each person believes, personally, I think you havent even begun to see warming or climate change, as Gods promises will fill that void for you..
Not if I was starving to death I wouldn't. But you obviously still believe MORE CO2 = MORE PLANT FOOD and haven't bothered to read the studies I listed, or study the weather impacts, glacial melt, polar melt, sea level rises, increases in 'wet bulb temperature' that would make much of the equator uninhabitable to human beings... mass migration, the American bread-basket states drying up and blowing away, a Greater Depression, water-wars, mass conflict... yeah. My breathing might not be a problem. But my staying alive in a 2000ppm world might be! (Or my grandchildren by then, anyway).Right now the average saturation of the air you breath is around 400ppm.. If it was 2000 ppm you could still breath just fine.. trust me..
Factor in the effect of water and all your predicted results go out the window. That is why so many scientists who are real experts in the field reject the theory in its entirety.
Sorry, I don't read this silly corrupted old version made from only 6 Greek manuscripts from the 12th century. Unlike you, I like modern versions that use 1000 times as many Greek manuscripts, and from 1000 years earlier as well!
Dude, all these verses actually explain is that God is sovereign. I've already dealt with your argument pages ago. Remember, God is still sovereign over the physics of knives and bullets when crimes are committed! Remember that post? How about you do me the courtesy of going back and re-reading it and responding to it appropriately, hey?
Sorry, but it is. Fossil fuel consumption has grown exponentially throughout the Industrial Revolution, with an approximate doubling time for oil of every 10 years. (Oil may stall as we approach the peak of conventional oil sources, but there's enough coal and gas left to cook the planet a few times over).
That is not an answer! You're the one claiming to be the plant expert. You're the one who claimed CO2 was good for all plants! Now you need to run along and find out why all those pesky agriculturalists are in on your imaginary 'conspiracy'.
Personally, I think you're running and hiding from all the data I've shown above, and not only deceiving us all, but worst of all, deceiving yourself! One day you could end up with a major crisis of faith when you wake up and realise this stuff is for real.
False! It's actually happening. Yes, sometimes the cooling is way weird and severe. Guess what? Warmer poles = less stable jet streams (because there is not as much temperature differential between the poles and equator) = 'wobbly' jet streams = arctic weather sometimes moving south. That's how you get super-cold snaps in a generally warmer world. In other words, the climate is warming: but sometimes this creates pockets of colder weather! (That's not me:I'm not smart enough to measure all that. It's from Catalyst.)
Not if I was starving to death I wouldn't. But you obviously still believe MORE CO2 = MORE PLANT FOOD and haven't bothered to read the studies I listed, or study the weather impacts, glacial melt, polar melt, sea level rises, increases in 'wet bulb temperature' that would make much of the equator uninhabitable to human beings... mass migration, the American bread-basket states drying up and blowing away, a Greater Depression, water-wars, mass conflict... yeah. My breathing might not be a problem. But my staying alive in a 2000ppm world might be! (Or my grandchildren by then, anyway).
Generally speaking, the world laughs at the American's laughing at climate science.Im starting to wonder if the perception you have has anything to do with where you are from.
Here in the states, we laugh at Global warming, we know our news networks are owned by the same guy, we dont actually believe what they tell us, lol..
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