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Give Us This Day Our Daily Bread

Maria Yakobo

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There is something about that sentence that is right out in the open, but for the first 25 years years of my Christian life I failed to see it.

Anyone care to guess what I missed?

That Jesus was actually the bread ...

Today i am convinced that the word of God is actually Jesus himself.....He's the bread of life...
We should therefore eat this bread of life daily....read the word of God daily....our spiritual body needs daily nourishment just as our physical bodies...so we ought to eat our spiritual food daily so that the spirit man is energized . ...this food is the word of God.
In the beginning was the word . ..the word was with God, the word was God..........and the word became fresh and dwelt amongst us(Jesus )
 
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That Jesus was actually the bread ...

Today i am convinced that the word of God is actually Jesus himself.....He's the bread of life...
We should therefore eat this bread of life daily....read the word of God daily....our spiritual body needs daily nourishment just as our physical bodies...so we ought to eat our spiritual food daily so that the spirit man is energized . ...this food is the word of God.
In the beginning was the word . ..the word was with God, the word was God..........and the word became fresh and dwelt amongst us(Jesus )

Good point which I may or may not agree with, but that's not what I was referring to.
 
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There is something about that sentence that is right out in the open, but for the first 25 years years of my Christian life I failed to see it.

Anyone care to guess what I missed?
The Greek word that is translated as daily (τὸν ἐπιούσιον) is only used in Matthew 6:11 and in the parallel in Luke 11:3. The rendering of this as daily bread is to me suspect. A truer rendering is found in the Vulgate where it was translated as panis super substantialis. So instead of bread for daily subsistence, earthly bread, it is bettter translated as supernatural bread or bread for daily essence, where essence to Jesus was our putting aside the earthly and taking up the heavenly.
 
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The Greek word that is translated as daily (τὸν ἐπιούσιον) is only used in Matthew 6:11 and in the parallel in Luke 11:3. The rendering of this as daily bread is to me suspect. A truer rendering is found in the Vulgate where it was translated as panis super substantialis. So instead of bread for daily subsistence, earthly bread, it is bettter translated as supernatural bread or bread for daily essence, where essence to Jesus was our putting aside the earthly and taking up the heavenly.

I don't believe in allegorizing or spiritualizing the texts. I think that Jesus was talking about bread.

You haven't guessed correctly, I'm afraid.
 
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The Greek word that is translated as daily (τὸν ἐπιούσιον) is only used in Matthew 6:11 and in the parallel in Luke 11:3. The rendering of this as daily bread is to me suspect. A truer rendering is found in the Vulgate where it was translated as panis super substantialis. So instead of bread for daily subsistence, earthly bread, it is bettter translated as supernatural bread or bread for daily essence, where essence to Jesus was our putting aside the earthly and taking up the heavenly.
That is the traditional opinion of most churches founded on the English language, since they only look as far as the English translation as "daily bread" and want to discourage daily Communion. But if you look at the Greek, you realize that Jesus uttered a word that is not recorded anywhere in ancient Greek texts and is only used once in the Bible (assuming that Luke merely copied Matthew). So the meaning must be derived from the parts of the Greek word transliterated as epiousios, which can be split into the roots epi - ousios. Now the ousios is the same root as is used in the Nicene Creed in homo - ousios to mean "of the same essence or substance". Ousios is normally translated to refer to the essence of the thing. Epi can be translated in several ways based on the word after it. So for epidermis we translate it to mean "above" the dermis. For epilogue it means "after" the end. For epicenter, is means "upon" the center. In all of these possible translations, it is hard to conceive of one that could lead you to translate epiousios as meaning daily food, since it is referring to essence and not time. Also that translation is redundant, since the line starts with "Give us today". I feel a better translation is what was rendered by Jerome as super-substantial or super-essential in Matthew and daily - quotidian in Luke. This highlights more effectively our need to ask for super essential sustenance (God given and not hand made) daily. I know this is a debatable topic; but what I am doing is based on the literal meaning of the original text and not on a metaphor.

Perhaps you should just share your opinion here and we can discuss it, instead of playing a guessing game.
 
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Six days and no winner?!

God is rarely as cryptic as you are jimmyjimmy; I think Luther sums it up quite well in his explanation of the Lord's prayer in the Small Catechism:


The Fourth Petition.

Give us this day our daily bread.

What does this mean?

--Answer.

God gives daily bread, even without our prayer, to all wicked men; but we pray in this petition that He would lead us to know it, and to receive our daily bread with thanksgiving.

What is meant by daily bread?

--Answer.

Everything that belongs to the support and wants of the body, such as meat, drink, clothing, shoes, house, homestead, field, cattle, money, goods, a pious spouse, pious children, pious servants, pious and faithful magistrates, good government, good weather, peace, health, discipline, honor, good friends, faithful neighbors, and the like.

The whole explanation of the Lord's Prayer in the Small Catechism can be found here: - The Lord's Prayer
 
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God is rarely as cryptic as you are jimmyjimmy; I think Luther sums it up quite well in his explanation of the Lord's prayer in the Small Catechism:


The Fourth Petition.

Give us this day our daily bread.

What does this mean?

--Answer.

God gives daily bread, even without our prayer, to all wicked men; but we pray in this petition that He would lead us to know it, and to receive our daily bread with thanksgiving.

What is meant by daily bread?

--Answer.

Everything that belongs to the support and wants of the body, such as meat, drink, clothing, shoes, house, homestead, field, cattle, money, goods, a pious spouse, pious children, pious servants, pious and faithful magistrates, good government, good weather, peace, health, discipline, honor, good friends, faithful neighbors, and the like.

The whole explanation of the Lord's Prayer in the Small Catechism can be found here: - The Lord's Prayer

Mark,

I'm not claiming some new extravagant interpretation that only I can see. It's something very simple which I had overlooked for decades, and I think many others have as well.
 
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Six days and no winner?!
"The best rule of sobriety is, not only in learning to follow wherever God leads, but also when he makes an end of teaching, to cease also from wishing to be wise." ~ John Calvin
 
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"The best rule of sobriety is, not only in learning to follow wherever God leads, but also when he makes an end of teaching, to cease also from wishing to be wise." ~ John Calvin

Some inaccurate assumptions in there.
 
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