Billnew.. there is a forum for apologetics. This isn't it.Come on Christians.
He challenged the thought of thanking God and no one stood up for God.
Not one has tried to explain it to the non-believers.
It is hard to explain, but don't chase away, those that challenge you.
StromRider said:Did she then curse god for allowing the 17 year old to kidnap and rape her and leave her in a garbage dumpster? No? Then why thank him when it was the police who found her?
Petunia said:Billnew.. there is a forum for apologetics. This isn't it.
Well that is a good question. God gives us all free will so that we can choose to follow His will. Sure He could make us all like robots who only do what He wants all the time. If He did that then we would not be able to honor Him, anymore than if you created a bunch of little robots who just followed their programming could honor you. All people, even Christians suffer and the reason for tha perhaps I can't explain best even if I understand. I'll give it a go though. We have to go through suffering so that we can praise God. For one, suffering allows you to better appreciate the times when you are not suffering. If your life was all comfort and leisure you would not be able to appreciate it. God gives us struggles to overcome to build our character and strength. If you never exert yourself physically you will be very weak. The same goes for spirituality. If you never have to struggle to keep your faith it will not be very strong. God also allows things to happen to us to test us. Without a chance to pass a test, we would not have a chance to be victorius and glorify God. We all suffer in this world. If we can pass through those trials and become stronger and more faithful and be victorius then we will be in Heaven in eternal bliss and in a state where we can really enjoy it to boot.StromRider said:Did she then curse god for allowing the 17 year old to kidnap and rape her and leave her in a garbage dumpster? No? Then why thank him when it was the police who found her?
I get so tired of such ranting. Would her mother have cursed god if the child had been found dead? Of course not. God only takes credit for the good things that people do, he hasn't got the stones to take credit for the bad things people do.
But wait. Isn't he all powerful and seeing and knowing? Would he then not be responsible for all that goes on if he is responsible for any of it?
And I'm a father of a nine year old girl so I'm as happy as anyone she was found alive.
Kelly said:Your asking for God to take away free will, then? That includes your choice to not believe in him. God works through all circumstances, making good things arise out of bad things.
Nope. God allows you to try to do whatever you want. He doesn't necessarily allow you to succeed though.Faithful nonbeliever said:I am willing to bet that that poor excuse for a man intended to kill that poor girl, so do you think god interfered with his free will?
Billnew said:Come on Christians.
He challenged the thought of thanking God and no one stood up for God.
Not one has tried to explain it to the non-believers.
It is hard to explain, but don't chase away, those that challenge you.
StromRider said:Thanks for the reply Bill, at least you took the time and effort to answer the question instead of slamming me for having the audacity to ask it. I was wondering why no one was addressing it.
As to which directory on the site your answer should go on who cares? My post was here so why would you have to make a new thread somewhere else to answer it?
I really didn't mean to cause all this trouble guys. The question just came to me as I read the post. No nefarious atheist plot to raise hell - oops, bad phrasing
Sorry you felt 'slammed'.. but I didn't slam you. You said you're so sick of heaing Christians rant about their faith. I asked you what you're doing on a Christian forum if you're so sick of it.stromrider said:Thanks for the reply Bill, at least you took the time and effort to answer the question instead of slamming me for having the audacity to ask it. I was wondering why no one was addressing it.
I never said you were 'wrong' to answer. I said there's a place for 'apologetics'.. and this isn't it. I answered myself with a passage from the bible. Apparently you didn't think that was sufficient or you wouldn't have claimed that no one stood up for God.So to those that said I am wrong to answer, I must disagree with you.
Pointing out a reason of following God is never a fault.
Billnew said:Come on Christians.
He challenged the thought of thanking God and no one stood up for God.
Not one has tried to explain it to the non-believers.
It is hard to explain, but don't chase away, those that challenge you.
kdet said:You know what is amazing? The faith of little children. I guess that is why God said this
"Truly I tell you unless you change and become like children, you will never enter the Kingdom of Heaven."
(Matthew 18:3).
Kelly said:Off topic but have to add:
My daughter was 3 when the Trade Center Towers went down, we didn't discuss it with her. Now she's 6 and we were watching a program about what happened inside the towers when the planes hit. I was explaining and not getting to theological/political about the whole thing. She said "I bet God was mad at those people" (referring to the terrorists). I replied "Well, sad maybe, but not mad". She looked thoughtful and then said. "Well, it's ok because now God gets to be with all those people in Heaven."
kdet said:That's a wonderful story, thanks for sharing that with us. If only we could be more like children in our faith.
flicka said:If only. Of course that would mean never acknowledging the Christian truth about going to heaven...what with the whole salvation thing and all. Unfortunately for us adults we get to hear all the dirty details while kids get to go on believing all people go to heaven when they die. ::
I'm glad this girl was found and I have no problem with her thanking God or anyone else for it, but I will never believe that God has a hand in anything happening here on earth. Good or bad.
I agree. I know God says to love anybody, but some people are difficult. On the other hand I think that decades in prison is a fitting punishment - they're not all that nice to child molesters in prison (it's not a total stereotype to say that quite a few were molested themselves, and besides... there are some things you don't do).UberLutheran said:If I were the judge, I know what I would do to the guy who did that to the little girl.
I would put his body under a pile of heavy rocks, out in the middle of the Mojave Desert -- and then leave.
God forgive me for saying this, but are certain things which are absolutely inexcusable -- and raping a young girl, and leaving her to die under large rocks is one of them.
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