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George Zimmerman, the Constitution, and the shifting politics of self-defense
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<blockquote data-quote="RaiseTheDead" data-source="post: 60999134" data-attributes="member: 311865"><p>Certainly. In fact, just yesterday a neighbor asked for help, that could very well have put me in exactly the position of needing to make such a pre-emptive strike. The difference is, instead of being out in the open, I would've had every advantage, being inside a house and waiting for a known, repeated stalker, with the element of surprise on my side. Rest assured said individual would have been given NO opportunity to draw a weapon, or even to use it if it were already drawn. Fortunately it didn't come to that. And unfortunately this creep is still at large ...</p><p></p><p>What this does not address is the fact that if Zimmerman had a gun, he shouldn't have been within 20 feet of Martin without having it drawn, and decidedly controlling the situation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/doh.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":doh:" title="doh :doh:" data-shortname=":doh:" /> How did Martin ever get in such a position in the first place? He had lost Zimmerman, completely. All he had to do was go home, as has been claimed was his innocent intent. This "superior specimen" got beaten in a foot race by Zimmerman? You and I both know better. Neither of us know what happened, but there is more to this than has come to the surface so far. If it wasn't Martin's intent to confront Zimmerman, how did they ever meet face to face? Note that this is a serious question!</p><p></p><p>Even if Zimmerman <em>was</em> hunting him, with intent to kill, how did he get within arm's reach of Martin, without Martin also desiring that to happen? Note that I don't buy that Zimmerman was actually hunting Martin with intent to kill after calling the Police to the scene; I'm just pointing out the absurdity of this hypothetical, which you seem to have convinced yourself is reality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RaiseTheDead, post: 60999134, member: 311865"] Certainly. In fact, just yesterday a neighbor asked for help, that could very well have put me in exactly the position of needing to make such a pre-emptive strike. The difference is, instead of being out in the open, I would've had every advantage, being inside a house and waiting for a known, repeated stalker, with the element of surprise on my side. Rest assured said individual would have been given NO opportunity to draw a weapon, or even to use it if it were already drawn. Fortunately it didn't come to that. And unfortunately this creep is still at large ... What this does not address is the fact that if Zimmerman had a gun, he shouldn't have been within 20 feet of Martin without having it drawn, and decidedly controlling the situation. :doh: How did Martin ever get in such a position in the first place? He had lost Zimmerman, completely. All he had to do was go home, as has been claimed was his innocent intent. This "superior specimen" got beaten in a foot race by Zimmerman? You and I both know better. Neither of us know what happened, but there is more to this than has come to the surface so far. If it wasn't Martin's intent to confront Zimmerman, how did they ever meet face to face? Note that this is a serious question! Even if Zimmerman [I]was[/I] hunting him, with intent to kill, how did he get within arm's reach of Martin, without Martin also desiring that to happen? Note that I don't buy that Zimmerman was actually hunting Martin with intent to kill after calling the Police to the scene; I'm just pointing out the absurdity of this hypothetical, which you seem to have convinced yourself is reality. [/QUOTE]
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