Gentiles and Torah

[ultra.immaculate]

Hi,

Don't these verses prove that Gentiles are included into Israel therefore they have to obey the same commandments Israel were given in the Torah? -

Ephesians 2:12 says, ''remember that you [Gentiles] were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world''.

Romans 11:24 says, ''For if you [Gentiles] were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these [unbelieving Israelites], the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.''

Thanks

 

[HARK!]

Hi Ultra.immaculate,

Welcome.

Thank you for bringing forth this crucial question.

I created a thread on this very subject here: Wild Olives and Torah

Feel free to post my quotes from that thread here; should you have any more questions.

 

[Yusuphhai]

Is Messianic Judaism included into Israel? If the interpretation of 'Israel' is from a racial perspective, Can Messianic Judaism change the race of people with such ideological tendencies?

If I were to tell the Jews that I am an Ephraimite, they would not agree that I could attend the synagogue as a Jew. The 10 tribes of northern Israel have actually been assimilated by foreign countries and are not recognized by southern Judah as the part of nation of Israel.

 

[HARK!]

Is Messianic Judaism included into Israel? If the interpretation of 'Israel' is from a racial perspective, Can Messianic Judaism change the race of people with such ideological tendencies?

If I were to tell the Jews that I am an Ephraimite, they would not agree that I could attend the synagogue as a Jew. The 10 tribes of northern Israel have actually been assimilated by foreign countries and are not recognized by southern Judah as the part of nation of Israel.

Indeed, will we see the sons of Jacob, who remained in Egypt, in the Exodus, in the kingdom to come?

Will we see the mixed multitude, who took the vow at Sinai, in the kingdom to come?

Yashar Al (ישראל) is spiritual.