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Since he explicitly said "symbolic", it would be best interpreted as "Either God meant it symbolically, or is not real". Unless you'd prefer to think He's a liar, which I suppose, strictly speaking, is something you can't absolutely discount.This is saying exactly, in effect 'Either God is lying or not real'.
This is saying exactly, in effect 'Either God is lying or not real'.
How do you know Genesis 1 is the "exact" word of God?
Because He is our Daddy.How do you know Genesis 1 is the "exact" word of God?
1 John 3:1-3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children
of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
Because He is our Daddy.
1 John 3:1-3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children
of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
I believe you missed my point. When was the bible put together, by whom and how? Have you ever read through some of the proceeding of the council of Nicea? It can be a bit troubling.
Yes we can discount that figment of the evo imagination. And where 'symbolic' is applied to a basic truth of God's word to attempt to neuter it of real meaning that symbolism is satanism.Since he explicitly said "symbolic", it would be best interpreted as "Either God meant it symbolically, or is not real". Unless you'd prefer to think He's a liar, which I suppose, strictly speaking, is something you can't absolutely discount.
Not sure who you quoted there it wasn't me...I said this in the post you refer toBecause He is our Daddy.
1 John 3:1-3 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children
of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
"This is saying exactly, in effect 'Either God is lying or not real'."
Or it might be a poetic account meant to teach spiritual truths and values, not a scientific account of the beginning of the universe. ...
When did God create bacteria and viruses?
.... I'm afraid your literalist philosophy does not trump the vast amounts of evidence from the real world that a historical Genesis 1 is impossible.
I mostly go by what Moses wrote. Or at least I use what Moses wrote to verify the rest of the Bible.I believe you missed my point. When was the bible put together, by whom and how? Have you ever read through some of the proceeding of the council of Nicea? It can be a bit troubling.
Of course I find it "troubling" that God uses man the way He does. But it is to the Glory of God that He is able to work though man to accomplish His purpose. I am sure He could get the job done a lot better without us. But to use man the way He does brings Him honor and glory.
Other then the Bible He does not need to use people. We can be taught by God and do not need man to teach us. It is always interesting to know what work God is doing in the lives of others. Also I believe in a two fold atonement. Jesus died to reconcile us with the Father. But also to reconcile us with each other. He gave Himself for the Church.
"Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends."
This is saying exactly, in effect 'Either God is lying or not real'.
Only if you think God wrote the Bible; or if you think God was incapable of using symbolic language; or was a follower of that peculiar American philosophy of common-sense empiricism that denies the possibility of truth in story.
Anyway, it makes no difference. If the world God created says that evolution happened (as it does) then according to your theology, either God was lying in scripture or God was lying in the world. Either way, your interpretation of scripture has made God a liar.
Here in this part of the country the glaciers left about 15 feet of muck behind. In other areas they were flooded and going under water. If that is not "ruin" then what is? Have you seen what global warming is doing to some of the towns in Alaska?
I don't care if you believe in God, but what I do care about is teaching kids a religion as if it was scientific fact. Save religion for church, and keep science in the classroom. Christianity isn't the only religion out there, after all. My kids aren't Christians so why should I let someone force their creation myths on them as if they were true. I don't care if you pray in schools, but I do care about whether or not prayer is enforced. As it is now, students can pray and read the bible all they want in school, it's just that teachers aren't allowed to instruct students to do so -- that's a violation of the 1st amendment.The 10 commandments only pertain to your religion and Judaism. Not everyone agrees with them -- the first five are specific to those religions and aren't even laws, nor should they be. In fact, there laws that reflect the sentiment of only 4 of the 10 commandments, and those laws are pretty much universal (and regardless of the 10 commandments).Putting the 10 commandments outside a government building sends the message that we are a Christian nation (which we're not) and a theocracy (which we also aren't). It's a Christian majority population with a (supposed to be) secular government,You can believe anything you want, pray when you want, and to whoever you want, but it's not a violation of your rights to keep you from forcing others to do the same as you. Keeping Christians from infringing on the rights of others is not a violation of your rights.Freedom of religion means you have your personal freedom to practice your religion. It doesn't mean the freedom to make everybody else practice your religion.Matt 6:6 - But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
"That's because the Bible is not and never was intended to be [physical] science [dealing with laws, theories, knowledge and aspirations which can only complement a reducibility to physical instruments]"That's because the Bible is not and never was intended to be science. The theory of evolution is science. Makes no difference in the end what the Bible was 'intended' to mean. It bears no relationship to science.
Either Genesis is symbolic or it's false.
It is so difficult to keep up with each Christian's interpretation of Genesis. Can't you guys agree on one standard so we have something falsifiable to debate?
How do you know Genesis 1 is the "exact" word of God?
Kind of like the various mechanisms for Evolution.
You do realise you effectively just accused half the Christians on this forum of satanism?Yes we can discount that figment of the evo imagination. And where 'symbolic' is applied to a basic truth of God's word to attempt to neuter it of real meaning that symbolism is satanism.
It is interesting to see evolutionists expectations of a better standard of evidence than they themselves can supply.
The day scientists realised how intricate a living single celled organism is eg bacteria, was the day they should have dropped the whole evolution thing. They didn't. Instead they invented terms like primitive cells, gave them a whole life story that is debated, and has not been observed to date, and called this science....Then separated the field of abiogenesis from evolution because it was such an embarassment!
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