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th1bill

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I am often, falsely, informed, that the admonition to neither add to nor to subtract from the scriptures applies only to the Revelation of John. The following is not an exhaustive list but it should be enough to get my point across. Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32, Proverbs 30:5-6, Revelation 22:18-19 and Galatians 1:6-12. And you ask, 'What is this about?'

The title of this string says it all, these three chapters have been made into one of the silliest controversies of my life time. If you ever wish to see Satan rolling with laughter at his handy work, just watch the people naming the name of Christ make fools of themselves over this one fundamental issue.

First and forever we serve the only Omniscient, Omnipotent Eternal God and finite man can never know more than our Heavenly Father has revealed to us. To attempt to define God is to attempt to fit Him into a box, it can't be done. To attempt to define what we think He meant to say or to imply is the greatest exercise in futility known to mankind and yet that is exactly what finite men are attempting to do today when they go to scientific theory and attempt to reconcile the scriptures to scientific theory.

Many will indignantly reply that the age of the earth is a scientific fact but that is at the very best, not true. Science, true science is established by duplicating a theory in a lab and establishing it as fact. You cannot form a universe in a lab environment and then watch it grow for a few billion years so what is falsely taught as fact in our high schools and colleges is at best an unproven theory and as per the Bible a lie.

The big problem with the universe being created in six 24 hour days is that man cannot do that, I wonder why????? It has forever been man's goal to prove that the universe just popped into existence and began to grow itself when a mystical, super compressed, single piece of matter exploded. Of course my questions are then, 'Who put the matter there?' and 'Where did it originate from?' followed by 'Who set the charges?' and 'What type of explosive material was used?' and 'What type of detonator was used?' followed with 'Who pushed the plunger, squeezed the firing mechanism or lit the match?' These questions have a cute ring to them but the truth is that if God lied (I assure you, He did not) then all of these questions are not cute, they need answers.

The next issue is credibility. I don't know about most folks but I know about myself and the people that I grew up with and the men I lived with and watched die in combat and I know the folks I have worked with since that time. The lot of them are cheaters on their wives, their and my wives have cheated on me, save the Christian I'm married to now, and in general they're not a trust-worthy lot. On the other hand there is God. He took the descendants of Abraham, the smallest ethnic group in the world, and made them His people and He has never failed them. They have repeatedly failed God and still He loves and cares for them.

As for me and my house, we trust and serve God.
 

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I believe in the inerrancy of scripture, that puts me into a miniscule segment of the Christian faith. I don't try to reconcile the creation of the earth and firmament with modern scientific explanations, i.e. Big Bang theory, etc.

I also agree with your opinion about the omniscience of God, we aren't privy to how or why many things are because we only know what God has revealed to us, we are finite in intelligence where as God has infinite and incomprehensible knowledge not known to us.
 
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the Big Bang is just that...a theory, with big, gapping holes in its logic. Granted modern science has proven the universe is expanding away from a single point, thus the theory has at least something creditable, but Genesis is vague to elude to the details in which God did create the heavens. Thus, the possibility that God did create matter and then cause it to expand is logical.

Is it so wrong to think that God created the Big Bang? This is what I believe, that the Big Bang in all of it's detail is wrong, but the general concept is quite plausible.
 
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Is it so wrong to think that God created the Big Bang? This is what I believe, that the Big Bang in all of it's detail is wrong, but the general concept is quite plausible.

I agree, the concept is quite plausible, there's no denying the universe is expanding, my problem is with the secular scientific community who deny Gods role as the cause.
 
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I agree, the concept is quite plausible, there's no denying the universe is expanding, my problem is with the secular scientific community who deny Gods role as the cause.

Same here.
I believe the BIG BANG is possible, but only by God.
 
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I really like your post!!!!
I am an engineer and I assure you that most of the scientific facts that we have been given are simply a load of garbage.
Have you heard the recent nothingness theory on how the universe was created?
Stephen Hawking is saying that the universe was created out of nothing!
So where did the nothing come from? lol
I think that you are right. I have a brother who has an IQ that supposedly cannot be measured accurately. It is too high. Trying to cummincate with him is difficult.
God is so far beyond our understanding that He sent His Son to help us communicate with Him. How great He is. Praise God!!!
 
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Thank-you. Actually thank-you to each one of you. I have posted this essage on several forums across the net and this is the first and thus far thaydid not result in adhomenin attacks. I had expected some for o disagreement from certain quarters but the kill the messenger approach has left e dumb founded.

At this point I'll let the cat out of the bag. I grew up hard and only received an eighth grade education and carry an Army GED. Wwith the exception of three tours in Vietnam, as an atheist, have spent y life studying some subject to come up to speed. The volumes available are truly astonishing. I converted Jan. 1,1990 and from that time have devoted a portion of my study efforts to learn more of the God that would care so much for a major sinner as to love him and then call him to any sort of ministry.

So, you see, I do not carry a seminary degree nor do I have any college degrees. To the world I am self educated and to God I a taught by the Holy Spirit, often on my bed at 1 or 2 in the morning when it is very peaceful and quiet.
 
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Scripture is 6 days of creation, but there is always an if on time. What if 6 days then is longer then what we view 6 days as now? On the flip side, could be shorter?

With all due respect, hold on Pastor. You guys keep eisogeting the YOM to reconcile Scripture with pagan naturalistic philosophy. We should be exegeting scripture according to proper hermeneutics. The context is clear that they are 24 hour periods. Consider this:

In my father's day, he would go to bed early Sunday evening and rise early in the morning of the following day, and spend the next six days traveling, during the day, to cross the whole country.

Context is everything. To continually assert that there is sufficient reason to interpret YOM as something other than a 24 hour period is to commit a fallacy called the unwarranted expansion of an expanded semantic field. The meaning of a word must be determined by how it is used in the specific context, not by possible meanings in unrelated contexts.

source: "Refuting Compromise", Sarfati.

There is no "if on time" related to the YOM of Genesis 1-2 according to Scripture. The Gap Theory, progressive evolution, and Christian Theistic Evolution are the ideas of fallen and finite mankind. They are not supported by Scripture and they are most certainly are not the ideas revealed by the Words of a perfect and infinitely wise God.

Besides, there is scientific support for a young Earth and a young universe that few people of faith seem to acknowledge that contradicts the presupposed "long-ages" paradigm commonly held by the mainstream scientific community.
 
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