Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning, (but not the very beginning) God created...

[Aldebaran]

At the beginning of scripture, we see the creation story told "from the beginning". But there's something missing from what was created. The angels! There's no mention of them being created, but I believe (somewhere) that it's said that angels existed before the earth was created, which means that when God created the heavens and the earth, the angels were already created, which means when earth was created, it wasn't "The Beginning".

Your thoughts?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

In the beginning wisdom was created, that was God's thoughts made manifest, imo. Heaven and earth followed.

 

[sandman]

There are three heavens…. atmospheric, celestial, and where God, Jesus and angels reside.

God in the beginning created the heavens and the earth. The beginning is written to us …not to Himself.
The beginning for the earth, the atmospheric and celestial was written to us.

There are also other beginning’s …I believe it’s 1 John the first 2 or three chapters (and a couple of other places) refer to the beginning as Pentecost.

 

[Timtofly]

At the beginning of scripture, we see the creation story told "from the beginning". But there's something missing from what was created. The angels! There's no mention of them being created, but I believe (somewhere) that it's said that angels existed before the earth was created, which means that when God created the heavens and the earth, the angels were already created, which means when earth was created, it wasn't "The Beginning".

Your thoughts?

Genesis 1:14-19

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."

Mystery solved.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

There are also other beginning’s …I believe it’s 1 John the first 2 or three chapters (and a couple of other places) refer to the beginning as Pentecost.

Yes, the beginning of the new creation happened then. Christ as wisdom for us was stated in John 1:1-14

 

[Servant78]

It was the beginning of this earth only.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hello @Aldebaran, the Book of Job tells us that the heavenly host was created prior to both the creation of this world, as well the life that God then created on it (the heavenly host sang together and shouted for joy as they witnessed all that God was doing/creating .. see v7 below).

Job 38
1 The LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said,
2 “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Now gird up your loins like a man, and I will ask you, and you instruct Me!
4 Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5 Who set its measurements? Since you know. Or who stretched the line on it?
6 On what were its bases sunk? Or who laid its cornerstone,
7 When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
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God bless you!!

--David

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[Skye1300]

It's the beginning of us. Not the beginning of the whole universe and all of creation. The angels already existed probably for millions of years before God created our little corner of the universe.

 

[Semper-Fi]

Ezekiel 28:15 (KJV)
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created,
till iniquity was found in thee.

Angeles [ spirit beings] where created before any [physical matter].

 

[Sabertooth]

It was the beginning of this earth only.

...at least, the natural universe.

 

[St_Worm2]

In the beginning wisdom was created, that was God's thoughts made manifest, imo. Heaven and earth followed. Christ as wisdom for us was stated in John 1:1-14

Hello Citizen of the Kingdom, God is the Creator, and therefore not like one of us (or like any other being in the created realm). The Bible tells us that God is one Being who exists both from and to everlasting as three Divine Persons (or Divine Members of the Godhead), Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and also that it was God the Son who was directly responsible for calling all of the created order into being .. John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your meaning above (~if I am, please correct me~), but just in case that I am not, the Biblical mystery of the Trinity of the Godhead, and of the Deity of the Christ, are considered settled Theology and Christology here at CFcom (so the truth concerning them is not up for discussion or debate on any of our Christian boards, even on our Controversial Theology board, just FYI).

God bless you!

--David

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Hello Citizen of the Kingdom, God is the Creator, and therefore not like one of us (or like any other being in the created realm). The Bible tells us that God is one Being who exists both from and to everlasting as three Divine Persons (or Divine Members of the Godhead), Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and also that it was God the Son who was directly responsible for calling all of the created order into being .. John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16-17.

Perhaps I am misunderstanding your meaning above (~if I am, please correct me~), but just in case that I am not, the Biblical mystery of the Trinity of the Godhead, and of the Deity of the Christ, are considered settled Theology and Christology here at CFcom (so the truth concerning them is not up for discussion or debate on any of our Christian boards, even on our Controversial Theology board, just FYI).

God bless you!

--David

Hi David, it's ~Cassia~ with a name change.
Proverbs 8:22-31
I was going with the theme of all being returned to the Father when all is handed over to Him in eternity, which seems to be the theme of the threads here. I'm not sure what settled theology your speaking of?
The wisdom of Christ is what I was referring to, which is totally biblical. Manifested is the visable from the invisable.

 

[Ragdoll]

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen.1:1).

"By faith we understand that the universe was framed by the word of God, so that things that are seen were not made out of things which are visible" (Heb.11:3).

Genesis 1:1 is the creation of (a) the entire expanse of what would become the universe, and (b) the earth. The universe was not completed until Day 4 when God created the stars.

Maybe some of you have a hard time with this and think that God created just the galaxy or just the solar system or just the earth. I guess its not the end of the world if you believe these things. Though perhaps some of you are more in tune with secular philosophy than you are God. Believe what you may, but Genesis 1:1 accounts for our entire existence, including the vast universe.

Gen.2:1 speaks of God finishing the heavens with all their vast array (or host of them). In Genesis 15, God takes Abraham outside and challenged him to count the stars, if he is able to. These stars Abraham gazed upon from earth are millions of light years away from earth. Yet those are the stars God created on Day 4. So I believe God created all of it. I just don't see any reason to be afraid of secular philosophy. Let God be true and every man a liar.

 

[DavidPT]

At the beginning of scripture, we see the creation story told "from the beginning". But there's something missing from what was created. The angels! There's no mention of them being created, but I believe (somewhere) that it's said that angels existed before the earth was created, which means that when God created the heavens and the earth, the angels were already created, which means when earth was created, it wasn't "The Beginning".

Your thoughts?

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


I'm not seeing what there is to question here? The above seems to have everything covered, including the creating of angels. Genesis 1:1 says---In the beginning God created the heaven---Colossians 1:16 says---For by him were all things created, that are in heaven. Obviously, God creates heaven first, then He creates lifeforms to dwell there. The same would be true of the earth. He creates the earth first, then fills it with lifeforms afterward. This is why the earth is initially seen in the state it is, not because of an alleged gap, but because He is not finished with what He is creating until He rests on the 7th day from all his work which He had made.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

It even says in this verse everything was not finished until this verse was fulfilled. No beginning could begin millions or billions of years earlier and still be the beginning millions or billions of years later. Genesis 2:1 still has the same beginning recorded in Genesis 1:1 in view, in the event anyone might be proposing there is a gap somewhere within what is recorded in these first 2 chapters.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hi David, it's ~Cassia~ with a name change.
Proverbs 8:22-31
I was going with the theme of all being returned to the Father when all is handed over to Him in eternity, which seems to be the theme of the threads here. I'm not sure what settled theology your speaking of?
The wisdom of Christ is what I was referring to, which is totally biblical. Manifested is the visable from the invisable.

Hello Sister Sorry, if I knew that it was you, I wouldn't have needed to comment.

What I was looking at was the combo of wisdom being 'created' + Christ being wisdom (but now I'm thinking that I've spent too much time recently reading/posting on another forum's board that is HIGHLY anti-Trinitarian).

Very sorry for the bother, but it was nice to talk to you again (though granted, in a bit of an odd way ).

Blessings to you in Christ.

--David

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Hello Sister Sorry, if I knew that it was you, I wouldn't have needed to comment.

What I was looking at was the combo of wisdom being 'created' + Christ being wisdom (but now I'm thinking that I've spent too much time recently reading/posting on another forum's board that is HIGHLY anti-Trinitarian).

Very sorry for the bother, but it was nice to talk to you again (though granted, in a bit of an odd way ).

Blessings to you in Christ.

--David

Aww thanks for the nice post! It's funny that biblically it's formatted that way with wisdom and Christ but I know exactly what you mean. It's difficult to get the meaning across from that invisability of thought to the visability of wisdom in action, which was all part of creation that Christ was a part of shown from both edit (Proverb 8 )and John 1.
Nice to talk to you too!

 

[Carl Emerson]

The reason I believe in an eternal heaven that existed in timelessness before the physical creation was called into being , is because The Word called the angels into being and they are mortal and will be judged. Their dominion was associated with the created universe. This is unlike the 24 elders who have always bowed before His throne. I believe that the Word spoke into being the physical space, the heavenly bodies and the created spiritual realm.
We know that the angels dialogue with God, but this would seem to be in the seventh heaven which is part of the created order. What I am careful to point out is that Satan and the angels are mortal and not perfect creatures with limited power.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

At the beginning of scripture, we see the creation story told "from the beginning". But there's something missing from what was created. The angels! There's no mention of them being created, but I believe (somewhere) that it's said that angels existed before the earth was created, which means that when God created the heavens and the earth, the angels were already created, which means when earth was created, it wasn't "The Beginning".

Your thoughts?

There is physical existence and there is spiritual existence. We also know that God always exists, no beginning and no end. Other than that, we have no further information. But I guess we can speculate! Blessings.

 

[Aldebaran]

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


I'm not seeing what there is to question here? The above seems to have everything covered, including the creating of angels. Genesis 1:1 says---In the beginning God created the heaven---Colossians 1:16 says---For by him were all things created, that are in heaven. Obviously, God creates heaven first, then He creates lifeforms to dwell there. The same would be true of the earth. He creates the earth first, then fills it with lifeforms afterward. This is why the earth is initially seen in the state it is, not because of an alleged gap, but because He is not finished with what He is creating until He rests on the 7th day from all his work which He had made.

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

It even says in this verse everything was not finished until this verse was fulfilled. No beginning could begin millions or billions of years earlier and still be the beginning millions or billions of years later. Genesis 2:1 still has the same beginning recorded in Genesis 1:1 in view, in the event anyone might be proposing there is a gap somewhere within what is recorded in these first 2 chapters.

Couldn't this verse: Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them----be a reference to the physical heavens and the planets, stars, galaxies be the "host of them"?

 

[DavidPT]

Couldn't this verse: Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them----be a reference to the physical heavens and the planets, stars, galaxies be the "host of them"?

It's for sure a reference to all of that, but until God creates other lifeforms first, such as angels, why would there be a need of heaven in the meantime, meaning the heaven where angels are now dwelling, and souls of humans as well, assuming one doesn't believe in soul sleep instead?