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<blockquote data-quote="Yauming" data-source="post: 60643" data-attributes="member: 9"><p>There has been some discussion over the matter of forgiveness.</p><p></p><p>In regard to Jesus' comments on forgiveness (7x7), I think He meant it from the Christian victim's point of view. The victim should try to forgive the perpetrator. This act of forgiveness does *NOT* mean that the sin was OK. Nor does it mean reconciliation. A sin is still a sin. Such sins mentioned are esp. detestable in the Lord's eyes - witness Sodom and Goromah.</p><p></p><p>Forgiveness means that you surrender your judgement on that person to God. As Jesus said on the cross- Forgive them for they know not what they are doing. This however does *NOT* free the perpetrators- sexual molestors etc.. - from God's wrath and judgement.</p><p></p><p>But by forgiving them- the victim is allowing God's grace to enter into the victim's life bringing wholeness and healing; he gives up the cancer of hurt and bitterness. </p><p></p><p>If he does not, he can actually end up being what he hates. Hence, a child who is beaten by a drunken father, if he grows up bitter and angry, often turns to alcohol and violence.</p><p></p><p>Forgiveness also does not mean reconciliation - it only opens the path for that (provided the person has truly repented and changed). When Jesus died and forgave all the sins of the world, that did not mean that everyone would go straight to Heaven. In the case of such terrible abuse, it would be absolutely wrong for the victim to continue to stay with perpetrator or for the perpetrator to remain in office.</p><p></p><p>Although the victim has the right to forgive, the institution which looks after them- whether a school or church etc.. has a *different* priority. It has a duty of care. Romans 13:3-5. And it is suppose to punish the perpetrators. What did Paul teach about backslidden Christians who refuse to repent? He said, "Have nothing to do with them!" What more sexual monsters? In the very least, take away their authority and power and never ever give it back to them. IMHO, they should at least be imprisoned for over 100 years. </p><p></p><p>Why not? Their victims and families have already been scarred for life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yauming, post: 60643, member: 9"] There has been some discussion over the matter of forgiveness. In regard to Jesus' comments on forgiveness (7x7), I think He meant it from the Christian victim's point of view. The victim should try to forgive the perpetrator. This act of forgiveness does *NOT* mean that the sin was OK. Nor does it mean reconciliation. A sin is still a sin. Such sins mentioned are esp. detestable in the Lord's eyes - witness Sodom and Goromah. Forgiveness means that you surrender your judgement on that person to God. As Jesus said on the cross- Forgive them for they know not what they are doing. This however does *NOT* free the perpetrators- sexual molestors etc.. - from God's wrath and judgement. But by forgiving them- the victim is allowing God's grace to enter into the victim's life bringing wholeness and healing; he gives up the cancer of hurt and bitterness. If he does not, he can actually end up being what he hates. Hence, a child who is beaten by a drunken father, if he grows up bitter and angry, often turns to alcohol and violence. Forgiveness also does not mean reconciliation - it only opens the path for that (provided the person has truly repented and changed). When Jesus died and forgave all the sins of the world, that did not mean that everyone would go straight to Heaven. In the case of such terrible abuse, it would be absolutely wrong for the victim to continue to stay with perpetrator or for the perpetrator to remain in office. Although the victim has the right to forgive, the institution which looks after them- whether a school or church etc.. has a *different* priority. It has a duty of care. Romans 13:3-5. And it is suppose to punish the perpetrators. What did Paul teach about backslidden Christians who refuse to repent? He said, "Have nothing to do with them!" What more sexual monsters? In the very least, take away their authority and power and never ever give it back to them. IMHO, they should at least be imprisoned for over 100 years. Why not? Their victims and families have already been scarred for life. [/QUOTE]
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