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Gas Prices Soaring Again

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Gas prices rose above $3 again this week, and we all have, or have heard the grumblings over this. It is the consensus of those rumbling over these prices that it is ridiculous a gallon of gas costs this much, but what have we, that consensus, done to affect change?

When the Rosa Park's bus incident happened, African-Americans banded together and protested, their individual voices collecting together as one through action. They were willing to sacrifice by boycotting public transportation, and did so six months after this blunder of prejudice was considered "resolved". This boycott meant that many of them had to walk up to 20 miles each way to work, but it didn't matter, this sacrifice was worth the outrage they felt.

Today, we as a people, are not willing to make such a sacrifice, instead we prefer to sit on our hands bickering and complaining. Expert after expert has commented that we have shown a willingness to pay this price, and therefore, the oil companies do not have the need or desire to ever change the price back to what was once comfortable and affordable.

Over 10 million Americans drive every day, and by sheer numbers alone, that makes us an effective and powerful group. The only way to affect change is through action, whether it is simply by writing our lawmakers, or with sacrifice and hardship with a boycott. Either way, the hardship hits us every time we put the nozzle in our tank, and we have to do more than just bicker and complain.
 

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HGomez said:
Gas prices rose above $3 again this week, and we all have, or have heard the grumblings over this. It is the consensus of those rumbling over these prices that it is ridiculous a gallon of gas costs this much, but what have we, that consensus, done to affect change?

When the Rosa Park's bus incident happened, African-Americans banded together and protested, their individual voices collecting together as one through action. They were willing to sacrifice by boycotting public transportation, and did so six months after this blunder of prejudice was considered "resolved". This boycott meant that many of them had to walk up to 20 miles each way to work, but it didn't matter, this sacrifice was worth the outrage they felt.

Today, we as a people, are not willing to make such a sacrifice, instead we prefer to sit on our hands bickering and complaining. Expert after expert has commented that we have shown a willingness to pay this price, and therefore, the oil companies do not have the need or desire to ever change the price back to what was once comfortable and affordable.

Over 10 million Americans drive every day, and by sheer numbers alone, that makes us an effective and powerful group. The only way to affect change is through action, whether it is simply by writing our lawmakers, or with sacrifice and hardship with a boycott. Either way, the hardship hits us every time we put the nozzle in our tank, and we have to do more than just bicker and complain.
$3.00++++ per gallon will be a pleasant memory if we go to war with Iran.

Some driving habits are changing here in Texas. I was driving a section of IH10 with a 80 mph speed limit. Generally I drive just the speed limit and the large suvs pass me like I am sitting still. This time I was driving 80. My car gets 27 mph even at 80. This time I was passing the SUVS and trucks.

Funny how expensive gas changes habits.

I also noticed the cops were pulling over those over 80 at a very high rate.
 
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Demand is growing and supply really isn't. Simple economics say prices will go up. Consider that in the 90s we were spoiled by absurdly low prices. Consider that this resource must be imported from one of the most unstable regions of the world that happens to be hostile to us. The ONLY answer is to reduce oil usage.
 
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Maynard Keenan said:
Demand is growing and supply really isn't. Simple economics say prices will go up.

Besides that, the price of oil and gasoline will go a lot higher once the dollar starts to really fall in value.

Sooner or later the middle east countries will no longer accept inflated worthless American dollars for oil, but will require Euros or gold.

As long as we continue to have $400 billion federal deficits and $700 billion balance of trade deficits, then inflation is inevitable and the dollar will have to tumble which will cause the price of gas to skyrocket.

You should expect to see gas at $10 (and more) a gallon if we dont balance our federal budget and our balance of trade.
 
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An interesting look at the subject.

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Sincerely,
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HGomez said:
Over 10 million Americans drive every day, and by sheer numbers alone, that makes us an effective and powerful group. The only way to affect change is through action, whether it is simply by writing our lawmakers, or with sacrifice and hardship with a boycott.

What you say here is very true, but what I get from it is that gas isn't really all that expensive to most of us, because we keep buying as much as ever. If Hershey bars went to $7.00 tomorrow, Hershey would be done in a month.
 
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Gas is still to cheap for most of the SUV drivers to quit because cars are not purchased for transportation but to make up for personality defects.

This may come as a surprise to some, but many Americans view passenger vehicles as more than just transportation. Some people actually like cars and consider them a hobby. In a nation that spends billions watching baseball and football, it's hardly unreasonable that people will spend money on machines. Not all SUV's or Pickups are for defects.
 
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HGomez said:
When the Rosa Park's bus incident happened, African-Americans banded together and protested, their individual voices collecting together as one through action. They were willing to sacrifice by boycotting public transportation, and did so six months after this blunder of prejudice was considered "resolved". This boycott meant that many of them had to walk up to 20 miles each way to work, but it didn't matter, this sacrifice was worth the outrage they felt.

While I understand your point, there is a big difference in these two situations. The boycott was a result of over a century of segregation, discrimination, and violence against blacks. Our gas crisis is only a couple of years old and is not directed at any identifiable group.

HGomez said:
Over 10 million Americans drive every day, and by sheer numbers alone, that makes us an effective and powerful group. The only way to affect change is through action, whether it is simply by writing our lawmakers, or with sacrifice and hardship with a boycott. Either way, the hardship hits us every time we put the nozzle in our tank, and we have to do more than just bicker and complain.

I agree with you here. If people are unhappy with the current gas situation, they should do more than force a smile and continue gassing up. And based on the numbers, a boycott would definitely work. But zoink has a point: our purchasing power is much greater now than it was in 2002. So while the price of gas is going up, the average income is also increasing.

I personally don't think we have much of a crisis right now. I am able to afford gas (in fact I have to purchase premium-grade gasoline because regular screws my car up) without it taking a huge bite out of my income; I spend about $70 a month. Once I start spending around $150 each month will I consider it a crisis. I should tell you though that I do expect this to happen.
 
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An interesting and informed view of our current energy situation. Take note that a proud political party, the democrats and a proud green party has successfully seperated America from it's own natural resources, while blaming us for being energy dependant, the result that came from their actions.

www.radioblogger.com/arch...une06.html

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Larry Kudlow hints that there might be some relief in sight at the gas pump.

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HH: It's time for our Friday check in with Larry Kudlow, economist extraordinaire, host of...you see him on CNBC every time, Kudlow & Co. Larry, welcome back. Good to have you.

LK: Hello, Hugh.

HH: I hear you think oil prices are going to go down.

LK: Yeah, I thought I'd put a little something in the bag for you. I know you've been trashing the New York Times, properly so.

HH: Yeah. We'll get back to that, but I always like to get news, too.

LK: It's very interesting. Prince Turki Al-Faisal, who's trying to scare everybody last week, he gave a speech in Washington, when he said any U.S. conflict with Iran would threaten the Straits of Hormuz, and would triple the price of oil. Well, guess what? Contrary to Prince Turki, here's some factoids. Energy inventories are as high as they've been since 1998. They've been growing and growing, as high as they've been since 1998, when oil was $15 a barrel. That's point number one. 347 million, by the by. Second point, I interviewed a bunch of oil tanker executives this week, guys who supply 85% of the oil to the United States. And they have more inventory on the high seas than they've had in many years. And third, the CEO of Chevron, David O'Reilly, told me in an interview that their numbers show that the demand for energy and gasoline at higher prices has at the least flattened out, and may be declining. So when you put this together, big inventories at home, lots of oil floating on the high seas, because they don't know what to do with it, and the fact that the demands are slipping a bit, because America...you know, prices work, markets work. You may be in for a big crack in energy prices, that one shipping executive said to me, could drop them into the $40-50 dollar range.

HH: What would that do to the price at the pump for gas, Larry Kudlow?

LK: Oh, that would just drop the pump price...let's see. Let's call it $3 dollars a gallon, more or less nationwide. It would certainly drop it a full dollar.

HH: Okay, because I'm paying $3.41 in wonderful Southern California, where we make people do things crazy. So you think it could go down a buck. That would of course be a Democrat's worst mightmare, Larry Kudlow.

LK: You know, that thought occurred to me. I didn't want to put a partisan spin on this, because I'm an objective economic analyst. But that thought did occur to me.

HH: Yeah, that's the last thing they've got going. We're winning the war, we've got the Senate trying to cut and run on the Democratic side, we've got good tax relief, some control on spending, John Boehner talking a good game, at least, border security is the centerpoint of the debate. No one's going to leave the party over that, because it's not decided.

LK: And one other. The House is going to be getting a bill out that will permit offshore drilling. That is huge, because we have a gagillion barrels of oil and gas offshore. And that would really move us towards a much more independent position, and of course, would put a lot more fuel on the marketplace, which would depress prices.

HH: But of course, that's all contingent upon Iran not going to the mat with us, and with North Korea not shooting missiles at Japan, or anything like that.

LK: Well, this is true. There's a lot of political risk in the oil price, and I grant you that. But sometimes, the fundamentals have a way of reasserting themselves. So I'm just putting that out. One never knows, but while everyone is talking about sky high oil prices to doom the economy...and the economy, by the way, is so strong...in fact, the economy is picking up steam. Unemployment claims are dropping, chain store sales are rising, durable goods, capital goods investment is booming. So the economy is really strong. We might get a boost here in the form of a lower tax, because of a drop in energy prices. That is one of those variables out there that could turn out to be much more pleasant than the pessimists would have us believe.

HH: All right, Larry Kudlow. You just mentioned sometimes, fundamentals win out. Let's turn to the news business, where the fundamentals are serve the public, don't lose subscribers, don't make everybody mad at you, and don't betray the national interest by helping terrorists. What's wrong with the New York Times?



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'WE' Just got conned that the price of gas had to rise because of the holiday 4TH weekend, and they just jumped the price again here AFTER the holiday week-end. Seems there is no honor amongst big money theives, eh ? Thankfully our government investigated and exonerated the theives, so naturally they are entitled to go back to gouging the nation. One of the heavy prices we must pay as a nation that is all too willing to believe the lies liars are all too willing to feed us to increase their greed. Christians should know better, as should someone with a lick of sense. I'm beginning to think as long as any nation threatens us, it it will be an excuse to gouge us/attack us economically. I recall Osama said recently, that America needs to be attacked economically, certainly looks like his allies see the situation much the same.
 
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The point I was trying to make is that as citizens we have become complacent and unwilling to sacrifice, choosing instead to sit on our hands and complain. Gas prices and peoples unhappiness over them is a great illustration of this. Do you think we could get a significant number of drivers to boycott driving, and therefore purchasing gas, long enough for it to make a point? No way. We are only committed to complaining, and that is getting us no where.

I have seen and read story after story where people and businesses are saying that the price of gas is heavily influencing their decisions, with many of these businesses reporting that they will have to make changes, from laying people off to actually closing down.

Either they are exaggerating or if it is true, once again, the only pressure that is being exerted is complaining.
 
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zoink said:

Essentially, what this graph is trying to convince me of is that $1.30 in 1995 is the equivalent of $3.20 today. Which would mean that it's not gas prices that are an issue, it's the lack of wage increase compared to inflation over time. Gas prices are just an reflection of that inflation.
 
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But zoink has a point: our purchasing power is much greater now than it was in 2002. So while the price of gas is going up, the average income is also increasing.

Actually, i think there needs to be a clarification to zoink's graph for how "inflation and purchasing power" is measured. Specifically, clarifying the definition of "purchasing power". Purchasing power - for the average american - hasn't been keeping up with inflation. Those in the top 5% of income earners have been increasing wages at a rate far surpassing inflation, but wages for the middle class and below have not been keeping up with inflation, so real "purchasing power" has been decreasing.

Of course, this graph couples inflation with purchasing power, which may yield illusory results in it's depiction.
 
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whatbogsends said:
Essentially, what this graph is trying to convince me of is that $1.30 in 1995 is the equivalent of $3.20 today. Which would mean that it's not gas prices that are an issue, it's the lack of wage increase compared to inflation over time. Gas prices are just an reflection of that inflation.

That is right.

Gas was $1.30 in 1995, and now it is $3.20.

Gas is not really any more expensive today, adjusted for inflation, then it was then, as long as your income has tripled since 1995.
 
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whatbogsends said:
Purchasing power - for the average american - hasn't been keeping up with inflation. Those in the top 5% of income earners have been increasing wages at a rate far surpassing inflation, but wages for the middle class and below have not been keeping up with inflation, so real "purchasing power" has been decreasing.

Good observation.

...and correct.


Most of the factory workers who lost their jobs when manufacturing was moved to asia, all the engineers, computer programmers, etc. who jobs became outsourced, all the retailers who were forced to go from full time to part time, etc. now dont make as much money as they did, adjusted for inflation.

Yet, the CEO's and executives of these corporations have had huge increases in income, which keeps the reported aggregate income artificially high.

Taxes have also increased a lot for the working man, including property taxes, gas taxes, license plate fees, and sales taxes.

The average working person has less actual purchasing power today than he had in 1975.
 
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whatbogsends said:
Essentially, what this graph is trying to convince me of is that $1.30 in 1995 is the equivalent of $3.20 today. Which would mean that it's not gas prices that are an issue, it's the lack of wage increase compared to inflation over time. Gas prices are just an reflection of that inflation.
Have you also factored in increases in fuel efficiency since the 1950s? You get at least twice, if not three times as far on a gallon of gas as you did in the 50s. Since the late 70s, there's been an increase of about 50%.

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=3991&sequence=2

I think most of the issue is that fuel prices were low in the late 80s to early 90s AND more efficient vehicles were being used. Unfortunately for us, the tanker war didn't last forever, and neither did the agreement to supply the Saudis with weaponry in exchange for increased oil production. OPEC price discipline is way up. State owned oil firms, which are the really big oil players are paying less for exploration, new extraction technology, and maintenance because their governments are looting their profits. On top of all that, demand is way up. Due to Islamic terror, the war in Iraq, Korea, and the standoff with Iran, speculation seems to be way up as well. And lastly, like others have mentioned, wage growth for the middle and lower classes has not been nearly enough to keep up.

Gasoline is still relatively cheap though. Extraction of oil from shale, bitumen and tar sands as well as conversion of coal to oil all seem to be economically feasible if oil is permanently in the price range of $35-$45 or so. Energy will likely not be so expensive over the long run.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by: whatbogsends
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Essentially, what this graph is trying to convince me of is that $1.30 in 1995 is the equivalent of $3.20 today. Which would mean that it's not gas prices that are an issue, it's the lack of wage increase compared to inflation over time. Gas prices are just an reflection of that inflation.


LogicChristian said:
Have you also factored in increases in fuel efficiency since the 1950s? You get at least twice, if not three times as far on a gallon of gas as you did in the 50s. Since the late 70s, there's been an increase of about 50%.

I think most of the issue is that fuel prices were low in the late 80s to early 90s AND more efficient vehicles were being used.

Gasoline is still relatively cheap though.

Gasoline is not cheap.

IF you want to go back to the 1950's and 60's, then gasoline then was 15 cents a gallon, to 20 cents a gallon. Wages would have to have increased by 20X times!

Gasoline in the clinton presidency were about $1 a gallon.

Not many people wages tripled since bush replaced clinton.

The increase in the price of gas has increased far more than wages.
 
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susanann said:
The increase in the price of gas has increased far more than wages.

That's not what the chart says. If gas used to cost $5.00, and now costs $3.00 (in constant dollars) that means wages have gone up more than the price of gas.

When something costs less, it means you work less time in order to buy it.
 
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