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Did you just say that Jesus mastered sin? I'm not grading you on your answer, I just want to know what and how you think.
Moreover I am keen to see you think more about the real truth than what you happen to like and dislike. If God tells Cain that he has to master sin, doesn't it seem as though God is training him to master sin? Why do you think God would tell him to master sin unless He thought Cain was capable of mastering sin? Does the same expectation apply to us today? There's a lot to think about from that one verse.
I'd like to know your thoughts about my other questions too.
Please see posts 74 to 77, it is possible you didn't see them. I would like you to share your thoughts.Sin is disobeying God, Jesus is God, so Jesus can't sin unless He disobeys Himself.
It's possible to master the "worst" sins, and most of the sins of action. Sins of thought or sins of inaction are much harder, perhaps impossible for man. In any case, it would take a lot of practice and plenty of sins along the way.
I looked through a couple of pages and couldn't find your questions. Do you mind re-asking them?
Also, if we can master the "worst" sins, why can a person not master the "slightest" sin?Luke 2:49 (King James Version)
49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Matthew 7:21 (New Living Translation)
True Disciples
21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.
I think that everyone is persuaded by these things. The difference, perhaps, is that repentant Christians are aware of their sin. Hopefully Christians give in to sin less than they are tempted. We are all sinners. Jesus was the only sinless man....before the fall, the humans weren't persuaded by these things, just as repentant born again Christians aren't persuaded by these things.
He said that humans having now become "like us", therefore being aware of good and evil, what if they were to live forever? What do you think would have happened to the world if that happened? An untamed human knowing good and evil that would never die. Well, maybe have a think about that.
So the law that was in effect from verse 17 stands to state that they will be judged for their sins, and we know later that God shortened their lifespan to 120 years. So the serpent lied and in doing so, murdered the humans.
They had the conscience, but they didn't have a tempter. So when the serpent came and tempted them they had no experience dealing with temptation. A Christian does however, because it is a daily battle with the serpent who tries to get us to disobey our conscience and therefore commit sin. Adam was clearly told in Genesis 2:17 that eating from that tree would doom him to death, and Genesis 3:3 shows that Eve knew full well the consequences of disobeying God.
So, were they tricked or did they consciously decide to doubt what God had told them and to trust the serpent instead? Furthermore, what motivated their decision?
The point is that all they had to do was trust what God had told them, instead they decided to trust what the serpent told them. Up to that point in time, they seemed quite happy with God's terms didn't they?
I don't see God trying to deprive them of morality.I don't know. I still don't know why God didn't mark some other tree instead of trying to deprive them of morality.
Did you see my point though, that some things that are considered to be sin are actually material things of this world that people happen to like?
I don't see God trying to deprive them of morality.
This is one of the HUGE points I have been trying to make! As long as one sees G-d as wanting to deprive mankind of morality, it's impossible to see the point of the story. I have seen many on this site suffer from that ...
A & E knew right from wrong. They had a conscience. They violated it. G-d did NOT regard their reasons why, and He treats us the same way, EXCEPT - -
His plan of Salvation has come to fruition; a benefit A & E did not have.
It does not tell us.Why did Adam and Eve not care that they were naked before they ate the fruit?
I think the benefits of the cross flow back in time as well as forward. I think A& E did have access to the grace and forgiveness of God just as we do.This is one of the HUGE points I have been trying to make! As long as one sees G-d as wanting to deprive mankind of morality, it's impossible to see the point of the story. I have seen many on this site suffer from that ...
A & E knew right from wrong. They had a conscience. They violated it. G-d did NOT regard their reasons why, and He treats us the same way, EXCEPT - -
His plan of Salvation has come to fruition; a benefit A & E did not have.
Why did Adam and Eve not care that they were naked before they ate the fruit?
Why did Adam and Eve not care that they were naked before they ate the fruit?
I think the benefits of the cross flow back in time as well as forward.
I think A& E did have access to the grace and forgiveness of God just as we do.
We think that we know how to love better than God does; we don't trust him to be better at it than we are. We are trapped by our sins and we don't trust the affection we are being offered by God.
I think that everyone is persuaded by these things. The difference, perhaps, is that repentant Christians are aware of their sin. Hopefully Christians give in to sin less than they are tempted. We are all sinners. Jesus was the only sinless man.
Fair enough comment, but we are only speculating what an amoral human would be like. From my understanding, the serpent was not able to tempt them since the only sin was eating of that specific tree. So there was only one sin they could commit. Lying, stealing, killing just weren't even options because these things didn't even exist yet. There were no fallen humans that had introduced those sins to the world, and no other creature had done it either. So I would say that your speculation that humans were originally "amoral" is probably quite a far cry from a human not knowing good and evil, since they were sinless and the only sin they had to deny was the fruit of one tree and we can see how easy it was until the serpent came along and told them that God had lied. Once they ate the fruit however, the humans began discovering a whole new world of pleasures that lead to sin. So I don't believe Adam and Eve were "amoral" sinners before the fall. I believe they were blameless and holy, completely without the knowledge of the capacity for sin.As far as I know, humans knowing good and evil are better than amoral humans. Humans that know morality will still do immoral things from time to time, but amoral humans wouldn't even be able to try.
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