Fulfill or obey?

[Kimberlyann]

Did Jesus come to fulfill the law or obey it?

Did Jesus always obey the Law of Moses?

Was He guided by commandments of the flesh or did He live by a higher and superior Spiritual Law?

Did Jesus contradict the Law of Moses when He said, "Swear Not"?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Deuteronomy 6 [/FONT]6:13 You shall fear the Lord your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name.

Did Jesus obey Lev. 24:20 ?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Leviticus 24 24:20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him. [/FONT]

Or did He contradict Lev. 24:20 ?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 5 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.[/FONT]


Did Jesus obey the Law of Moses that stated:


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Leviticus 26 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]26:7 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. 26:8 Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. [/FONT]



Or did He say,
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 5 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 5 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, [/FONT]

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Love your enemies is not a just a slight change to the law that said hate your enemies.

He didn't keep the Law of Moses that said the adulteress shall be put to death by stoning, but he contradicted it by forgiving her.

Did Jesus break the Law of Moses because He was instituting a New and Different Covenant based on a much higher Spiritual law?

 

[Kimberlyann]

I thought for sure I'd get a tongue lashing for posting this.

 

[RGL1]

Did Jesus come to fulfill the law or obey it?

Both
Joh 6:38 - "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Mt 5:17 - "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

 

[RGL1]

Did Jesus always obey the Law of Moses?

If He didn't how could He be God?

 

[RGL1]

Was He guided by commandments of the flesh or did He live by a higher and superior Spiritual Law?

He is the higher and superior Spiritual Law. How he lived defined what he said in the OT & NT.

 

[RGL1]

Did Jesus contradict the Law of Moses when He said, "Swear Not"?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Deuteronomy 6 [/FONT]6:13 You shall fear the Lord your God and serve Him, and shall take oaths in His name.

I think in this text he is refering to commitment to living for God. We should swear to fear and serve Him. I think God wants that from us.

He said, "Swear Not" which verse are you refering to?

I think it's refering to swearing oaths or making promises and not intending to keep them.
Isa 48:1 - " Hear this, O house of Jacob, who are named Israel And who came forth from the loins of Judah, Who swear by the name of the LORD And invoke the God of Israel, {But} not in truth nor in righteousness.
Jer 7:9 - "Will you steal, murder, and commit adultery and swear falsely, and offer sacrifices to Baal and walk after other gods that you have not known,
Mal 3:5 - "Then I will draw near to you for judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers and against the adulterers and against those who swear falsely, and against those who oppress the wage earner in his wages, the widow and the orphan, and those who turn aside the alien and do not fear Me," says the LORD of hosts. Jas 5:12 - But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath; but your yes is to be yes, and your no, no, so that you may not fall under judgment.
Pretty consistant message.

 

[RGL1]

Did Jesus obey Lev. 24:20 ?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Leviticus 24 24:20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him.[/FONT]
The principle is hand out just justice.

Or did He contradict Lev. 24:20 ?
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 5 5:39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.[/FONT]
Don't retaliate'

Did Jesus obey the Law of Moses that stated:


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Leviticus 26 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]26:7 You will chase your enemies, and they shall fall by the sword before you. 26:8 Five of you shall chase a hundred, and a hundred of you shall put ten thousand to flight; your enemies shall fall by the sword before you. [/FONT]
This has more to do with war or national protection and blessings from God. Disobedience would bring chastening.


Or did He say,
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 5 [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:43 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
Where did God say to hate your enemy?
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Matthew 5 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, [/FONT]
This has more to do with personal day to day stuff and personal retalliation.

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Love your enemies is not a just a slight change to the law that said hate your enemies.

He didn't keep the Law of Moses that said the adulteress shall be put to death by stoning, but he contradicted it by forgiving her. Because she was repentant.
Did Jesus break the Law of Moses because He was instituting a New and Different Covenant based on a much higher Spiritual law?.He didn't break it He clarified the Law. He showed the essence of it. Mercy and forgiveness is all over the OT.
Mt 23:23 -
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.


What do you think Kim?

 

[Jerrysch]

Did Jesus come to fulfill the law or obey it?

He did not come to obey the law, He did at all times obey it, if He had not He would have been guilty of sin. He did however come to fulfill that very same Law which was given by way of Moses, the so called Mosiac Law. He fulfilled it all, it does not apply to anyone any more. We as 21th Centery Christians are not under the Mosiac Law. This law and all its provisions have been fulfilled in Messiah. et, having said this, there is still sin, men can still be sinners even though the Mosiac Law has been fulfiled.