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Those childhood pageants creep me out.And yet it's conservatives who want children to have "the right" to get married.
It's conservatives who are forcing minors into parenthood.
I stopped at the very beginning when it tried to claim that eunuchs were transgender or "third gender".It's just history. Did you read the article I linked? [Transgender history - Wikipedia]
The delusion begins when a person thinks that they can "feel" like anything or anyone other than themselves.If you weren't aware, gender identity is (in contemporary parlance) about feelings; about which gender one feels most closely aligned with (if any). It is not the same as biological sex. It would be delusional if it was an erroneous factual belief, e.g. if you thought you were biologically male or female when you were not. What distresses many trans people is that they are well aware that the gender they identify with is not their biological gender.
The CF member I was talking to claimed that their grandson became aware of the differences between the sexes after coming to know about transgenderism.Not sure what you mean by, "...nor does it mean that they are necessary for people to know the difference between the sexes." Even biological sex (i.e. chromosomal sex) is not binary, although XX and XY are the vast majority. Male and female anatomy is typically a binary choice because it occurs relatively early in development (although there are variations).
None of this changes anything. There are only the two sexes - zero genders - infinite personalities.Masculine and feminine characteristics vary along a spectrum between individuals according to hormonal influences and change as they develop and age. Brain development is also influenced, particularly in utero, and is sensitive to variations in hormone levels, changes in gene expression, etc. This means we are all born with a unique set of mental characteristics and predispositions, among them a sense of self, including gender identity. In some individuals, this doesn't match their biological sex characteristics, in others it is ambiguous.
This is what I meant when I spoke about inappropriate thoughts finding place within us - allowing evil spirits to influence us - and eventually rob us of our identity.As the brain develops in childhood, certain predispositions may or may not be realised, depending on environmental influences (the classic case is psychopathy). Weakly conflicting gender identity predispositions may be modified by exposure to stereotypical gender roles (parents, siblings, peer group, etc.) in childhood. Stronger conflicting gender identity feelings may cause confusion, and some are effectively fixed.
Yikes.In the UK, gender identity conflicts become a medical question when they cause an individual sufficient distress to interfere with their everyday life, mental health, or well-being. The role of the health services is then to assess the individual and determine the best way to relieve their distress, and help them improve their mental health and well-being. This may involve counselling & talking therapies, or medication, or, as a last resort, surgery.
Thank you for sharing all these sources.JFYI, gender-affirming surgeries for transgender women have taken place since the 16th century(!). The self-reported satisfaction rate after gender reassignment surgery is as high or higher than other major surgical procedures - here's a sample of studies:
Quality of Life Following Male-To-Female Sex Reassignment Surgery
Trans persons suffer from the tension between their biologically characterized body and their experienced sex/gender.
Undergoing medical and/or social transition seems for many trans persons the best possible solution for alleviating their gender dysphoria symptoms.
Results from studies imply that sex reassignment surgery on the one hand has positive effects in terms of partial aspects of quality of life, such as mental health, sexuality, and life satisfaction, and, on the other hand, on quality of life overall.
Long-term Outcomes After Gender-Affirming Surgery: 40-Year Follow-up Study
Conclusion: Gender-affirming surgery is a durable treatment that improves overall patient well-being. High patient satisfaction, improved dysphoria, and reduced mental health comorbidities persist decades after GAS without any reported patient regret.
Surgical Satisfaction, Quality of Life, and Their Association After Gender-Affirming Surgery: A Follow-up Study
Postoperative satisfaction was 94% to 100%, depending on the type of surgery performed. Eight (6%) of the participants reported dissatisfaction and/or regret, which was associated with preoperative psychological symptoms or self-reported surgical complications...
All intersex people are either male or female - no true hermaphrodites exist.Two sexes are the vast majority, but some people are intersex, hermaphrodite, etc.
True - they could be indulging in a sexual fetish or take pleasure in confusing, controlling or dominating others.Not everyone whose gender identity differs from their biological sex experiences gender dysphoria, so not all are mentally ill.
The person I was responding to and the LGBT community as a whole.Who 'lumps it in' as a sexual orientation?
Thank you so much for allowing me that.If you consider it sinful or immoral, don't do it.
Ok - but that does not make it any less sinful.For me, what consenting people do with each other is their business, not mine.
Like thinking you are a member of the opposite sex or "gender".A mental illness is commonly defined as psychological distress sufficient to interfere with everyday life.
What "harmless behavior"?I was correcting your impression that "... all people everywhere since the beginning of people" went about their lives "...without meeting any transgender people". I see no need to justify harmless behaviour.
I would claim that opposite has happened.It was an education that enabled me to see how I had been indoctrinated - and did the same for many people of other cultures & religions who became my friends. I probably learned more from meeting such a diversity of people than I did from the course I studied.
I will encourage them to focus on discovering what is true.I hope your children get an education that is more than studying a curriculum and passing exams. Encourage them to expand their knowledge and understanding and encounter as wide a variety of views and opinions as possible. Then they can make a better-informed choice of a moral and ethical framework to live by.
I thought I was being clear when I said that I didn't take back what I said - but let me be even more clear.I've experienced this quite a few times. Someone in the forum will refer to transgender people as abhorrent, or mentally ill. And I'll ask them directly if they would say that to me about my relative in some social situation. And the back peddling is furious. 'Oh no. I'm not talking about your family. I'm not suggesting that your niece/nephew/sister is evil or mentally unstable.' They find it's quite easy to say the things they do in the anonymity of the forum. They say things they wouldn't dare say to a colleague or a friend or even to a total stranger face to face, who has experienced what a loved one has gone through and what they have had to put up with. They wouldn't because they know what the reaction would likely be. Post it on a forum and they don't get to see the frustration and the pain. And the anger.
So you might not address my family directly, but everything you say includes them. There's no getting away from that. It's like you saying that you won't call my nephew mentally ill because that might be upsetting, but you'll have no problem saying the same about transgender people in general. And that's not upsetting for someone who is transgender or has a friend or family member who is?
It is not complicated at all. The concept of "gender" does not exist.Don't play that game with me. Look up any dictionary definition. You'll not be able to find any article, medical paper or dictionary definition anywhere on the planet that doesn't explain the difference between biological sex and gender. But I guess you'll just do what others do in this situation and point to lists that someone has come up with of umpteen variations on a theme and say that gee, it's just all too complicated. You want to keep it in the Too Hard Basket so that you don't have to address it.
Again - this is a very rich statement coming from someone who believes as you do.Thanks for your personal opinion. It doesn't actually align with reality but that's a problem that you'll have to solve.
Yeah. Apologies. I had deleted it from the textbox but not from the attachment section.Those childhood pageants creep me out.
It’s not a conservative or liberal issue.
It’s just weird, in my opinion.
You’re good!Yeah. Apologies. I had deleted it from the textbox but not from the attachment section.
I dont know who supports this but most people I interact with on this issue seems to think its creepy/innapropriate.
I'll need more information before I can respond to this.And yet it's conservatives who want children to have "the right" to get married.
It's conservatives who are forcing minors into parenthood.
It’s the toddlers and tiaras nonsense from TLC. Honey Boo Boo comes to mind.I'll need more information before I can respond to this.
No need to be any clearer. Your position is perfectly clear. That was why your apology was anything but. And why it wasn't accepted. Because I'm not going to accept it on behalf of any transgender person whom you describe using terms such as you did in your post. An apology is not meant to be given to make the person making it feel better about themself. But that was the only result of yours.I thought I was being clear when I said that I didn't take back what I said - but let me be even more clear.
So many papers, so much literature, so many articles, so many reports, so many definitions across the world all dealing something that doesn't exist. You are living in a world of your own making.It is not complicated at all. The concept of "gender" does not exist.
Are you referring to me? If you are that is a complete fabrication. At no time did I say anything like that at all. The kid was well aware of sexual differences - he has a sister after all. And he'd need to know that to understand the concept of gender - which he does, and also biological differences so he can understand why and how people want to transgender. Which he needed to know because he has a relative who has done so.The CF member I was talking to claimed that their grandson became aware of the differences between the sexes after coming to know about transgenderism.
No one needs to know anything about transgenderism to come to know the difference between the sexes.
Good.No need to be any clearer. Your position is perfectly clear.
I did not apologize about sharing the truth.That was why your apology was anything but. And why it wasn't accepted.
I was not apologizing to any transgender person. I was apologizing to you.Because I'm not going to accept it on behalf of any transgender person whom you describe using terms such as you did in your post.
I only felt bad because I thought you did not understand my position. I apologized and clarified my position.An apology is not meant to be given to make the person making it feel better about themself. But that was the only result of yours.
I assume some Christian somewhere said something similar to an atheist.So many papers, so much literature, so many articles, so many reports, so many definitions across the world all dealing something that doesn't exist. You are living in a world of your own making.
The difference between a forum and real life is that we all agreed to be on this forum, and we accept the rules.And in passing, I have a rule that I never say anything to anyone within the forum that I wouldn't say to them face to face. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.
You stated in Post #80,Are you referring to me? If you are that is a complete fabrication. At no time did I say anything like that at all.
I'm glad to hear it.The kid was well aware of sexual differences - he has a sister after all.
What is the "concept of gender" and how is it different than "biological differences"?And he'd need to know that to understand the concept of gender - which he does, and also biological differences so he can understand why and how people want to transgender.
No transition took place. You're just confusing children.Which he needed to know because he has a relative who has done so.
I hope things continue to go well for her.And get this. He's a teacher. So any problems with the pupils in the school? None whatsoever. Any problems with their parents? None whatsoever. All he got from everyone was love, care and compassion. Concepts which I find are thin on the ground in some parts.
I don't know much about any of that - but this "Honey Boo Boo" was a minor advocating for the right to get married?It’s the toddlers and tiaras nonsense from TLC. Honey Boo Boo comes to mind.
You were talking about sexual differences. Not gender. Obviously, as you don't even think that gender exists.You stated in Post #80,
"My 10 year old grandson is aware of gender differences because we have a family member who transgendered." (Bold and italics added)
You just couldn't resist, could you.I hope things continue to go well for her.
How are gender and sex different?You were talking about sexual differences. Not gender. Obviously, as you don't even think that gender exists.
I don't resist the truth. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.You just couldn't resist, could you.
I've already told you that I'm not wasting my time on you.How are gender and sex different?
It speaks to the type of person you are. But hey, maybe you'd use the correct pronoun face to face.I don't resist the truth. It's a shame that others don't take that common courtesy on board.
I don't believe you are capable of explaining them.I've already told you that I'm not wasting my time on you.
I competent one who uses precise language.It speaks to the type of person you are.
I just used the correct pronoun, and I would use it again when appropriate.But hey, maybe you'd use the correct pronoun face to face.
Nobody I know would have the slightest interest in discussing what you think about the matter. Nobody I know would be the slightest bit interested in even meeting someone that expresses some views as have been expressed in this thread. The only reason I take part in these discussions is to poke around enough to find out what someone actually thinks. To get it out into the open and have some sunlight shone on it. The truth generally comes out, unwrapped, not couched in reasonably polite platitudes.Yet - if they were to engage in a discussion about transgenderism - I would use the correct pronoun.
I understand that the truth can be hard for some people to hear.Nobody I know would have the slightest interest in discussing what you think about the matter. Nobody I know would be the slightest bit interested in even meeting someone that expresses some views as have been expressed in this thread. The only reason I take part in these discussions is to poke around enough to find out what someone actually thinks. To get it out into the open and have some sunlight shone on it. The truth generally comes out, unwrapped, not couched in reasonably polite platitudes.
We can all then make decisions as regards those people who espouse such views
Isn't that the truth. I have to say nothing has been worse for my spiritual journey than to see what people who very loudly and frequently tout their Christianity feel comfortable saying and doing. I've for sure had several "if this is what somebody who's Christian thinks, do I really want to be Christian?" moments in my 20ish years on this forum.Nobody I know would have the slightest interest in discussing what you think about the matter. Nobody I know would be the slightest bit interested in even meeting someone that expresses some views as have been expressed in this thread. The only reason I take part in these discussions is to poke around enough to find out what someone actually thinks. To get it out into the open and have some sunlight shone on it. The truth generally comes out, unwrapped, not couched in reasonably polite platitudes.
We can all then make decisions as regards those people who espouse such views
You got a source for this, or is this just your experience/opinion?Amen! Anti-Catholicism is the last bigotry that is still accepted by society. Most liberals absolutely DESPISE Catholics.
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