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<blockquote data-quote="yasic" data-source="post: 64628929" data-attributes="member: 124040"><p>As has been said before, welcome to your liberation. We will give you the trial membership to the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, but before you can be a full fledged card-holding member we will have to work on your belief that modern day Christianity doesn't hold sway and power in negative ways. </p><p></p><p>To help with your reprogramm.... *ahem* I mean education, please consider the following:</p><p></p><p>First up, condoms are well known as being one of the most effective tools to combat STD's and other malignancies. (<a href="http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/byAudience/ForPatientAdvocates/HIVandAIDSActivities/ucm126372.htm" target="_blank">Link</a>) yet the catholic church has a very strong anti-condom policy that is actively helping spread diseases such as AIDS in many at-risk locations. Even with unofficial means, simply individuals who choose to believe Catholic doctrine end up volenterially not using them putting themselves at harms way.</p><p></p><p>The Catholic church has a very strong anti-abortion policy. While there is certainly debate when it comes to abortion, most people are ok with the procedure if the mothers life is at risk. For instance a few years ago in Brazil a 9 year old girl was raped by her father and ended up pregnant with twins. Her body normally would be unable to safely carry a single child, let alone twins and an abortion would be a life-saving procedure. The Church went so far as the threaten excommunication for the girls mother and doctor if the abortion took place... and when the doctor deciding the girls life was more important did the procedure, the church followed through and excommunicated him. And this excommunication wasn't backed by just local priests but had the backing of the Vatican itself. As far as the matter of excommunicating the rapists father- no such luck, rape is no a serious enough offense in the Catholic doctrine to justify excommunication (But saving the life of a 9 year old rape victim is). (<a href="http://www.examiner.com/article/doctor-who-performed-abortion-on-9-year-old-rape-victim-excommunicated" target="_blank">An article of this</a>)</p><p></p><p>Up until recently it was a matter of the Catholic Churches policy that sec crimes committed by the priests should not be reported to the authorities but instead should be handled internally. And did the Church handle those- by shuffling rapist priests around giving them access to more victims. Several priests in this manner avoided persecution while raping literally dozens of young victims. This policy was so strong that the punishment was "On pain of excommunication" (<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm" target="_blank">Source</a>) meaning if a priest knew about rapist college and tried to report it to the proper authorities he could be looking at losing his position and place in the church. It should be noted that recently the Church finally took a stance against child rape - one can only say 'finally', however many of the people who knowingly and willing shuffled rapists priests around are still serving in their positions. </p><p></p><p>There is nothing inherently wrong with homosexual marriage or giving them the right to live together in marriage with those they love. The Catholic church disagrees, and in fact spends millions of dollars actively campaigning against same sex marriage (<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/catholic-church-2-million-defeat-marriage-equality_n_2140255.html" target="_blank">One Example</a>) </p><p></p><p></p><p>And rather than giving further reading, I am instead compelled to provide you with the following Intelligence Squared debate on the subject of "Is the Catholic Church a source of good in the world" between the atheists unquestioned supreme leaders (peace be upon their non-existent souls), Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry, and the two representatives of the Catholic Church: The then British MP Ann Widdecombe, and Archbishop John Onaiyekan. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0tPRjVBvw" target="_blank">[2 Hour Version] Christopher Hitchens & Stephen Fry - Intelligence Squared Debate [2009] - YouTube</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yasic, post: 64628929, member: 124040"] As has been said before, welcome to your liberation. We will give you the trial membership to the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, but before you can be a full fledged card-holding member we will have to work on your belief that modern day Christianity doesn't hold sway and power in negative ways. To help with your reprogramm.... *ahem* I mean education, please consider the following: First up, condoms are well known as being one of the most effective tools to combat STD's and other malignancies. ([URL="http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/byAudience/ForPatientAdvocates/HIVandAIDSActivities/ucm126372.htm"]Link[/URL]) yet the catholic church has a very strong anti-condom policy that is actively helping spread diseases such as AIDS in many at-risk locations. Even with unofficial means, simply individuals who choose to believe Catholic doctrine end up volenterially not using them putting themselves at harms way. The Catholic church has a very strong anti-abortion policy. While there is certainly debate when it comes to abortion, most people are ok with the procedure if the mothers life is at risk. For instance a few years ago in Brazil a 9 year old girl was raped by her father and ended up pregnant with twins. Her body normally would be unable to safely carry a single child, let alone twins and an abortion would be a life-saving procedure. The Church went so far as the threaten excommunication for the girls mother and doctor if the abortion took place... and when the doctor deciding the girls life was more important did the procedure, the church followed through and excommunicated him. And this excommunication wasn't backed by just local priests but had the backing of the Vatican itself. As far as the matter of excommunicating the rapists father- no such luck, rape is no a serious enough offense in the Catholic doctrine to justify excommunication (But saving the life of a 9 year old rape victim is). ([URL="http://www.examiner.com/article/doctor-who-performed-abortion-on-9-year-old-rape-victim-excommunicated"]An article of this[/URL]) Up until recently it was a matter of the Catholic Churches policy that sec crimes committed by the priests should not be reported to the authorities but instead should be handled internally. And did the Church handle those- by shuffling rapist priests around giving them access to more victims. Several priests in this manner avoided persecution while raping literally dozens of young victims. This policy was so strong that the punishment was "On pain of excommunication" ([URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/5389684.stm"]Source[/URL]) meaning if a priest knew about rapist college and tried to report it to the proper authorities he could be looking at losing his position and place in the church. It should be noted that recently the Church finally took a stance against child rape - one can only say 'finally', however many of the people who knowingly and willing shuffled rapists priests around are still serving in their positions. There is nothing inherently wrong with homosexual marriage or giving them the right to live together in marriage with those they love. The Catholic church disagrees, and in fact spends millions of dollars actively campaigning against same sex marriage ([URL="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/15/catholic-church-2-million-defeat-marriage-equality_n_2140255.html"]One Example[/URL]) And rather than giving further reading, I am instead compelled to provide you with the following Intelligence Squared debate on the subject of "Is the Catholic Church a source of good in the world" between the atheists unquestioned supreme leaders (peace be upon their non-existent souls), Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry, and the two representatives of the Catholic Church: The then British MP Ann Widdecombe, and Archbishop John Onaiyekan. [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0tPRjVBvw][2 Hour Version] Christopher Hitchens & Stephen Fry - Intelligence Squared Debate [2009] - YouTube[/url] [/QUOTE]
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