im trying to talk with an athiest at work and plant a few seeds in to him about god christ and salvation. he says its all a story yadda yadda..and passes me a book called 'the anit christ' to get a prospective of where he's coming from. i flipped through this 90 page book with discust. has anyone read up on Friedrich Nietzsche? this guy openly though out the whole book has contempt for jesus and christians. what can i tell someone who follows around nietzsche like that? not adays he seems to come to me for religous debates with out any effort for me so i at least have his attention..how would you minister to someone like that?
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Hand him Lee Strobel's Case for Faith. It does an excellent job of giving the Christian perspective of Atheism's "toughest" questions. Lee interviews highly educated experts, which if nothing else, will show him not only atheists are intellectual (something far too many of them whole-heartedly believe).
Or you can try to question him about his beliefs (politely, of course) and tell him the objections you have. If he can attack your beliefs, he should have no problem with you politely disagreeing with his.
Or you can try to question him about his beliefs (politely, of course) and tell him the objections you have. If he can attack your beliefs, he should have no problem with you politely disagreeing with his.
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If you want to understand where he's coming from, you should probably read the book instead of flipping through it. Nietzsche has had a HUGE impact on secular philosophy and in fact on the whole of western society. I personally find him boring but only because I've heard his stuff over and over again from various atheists.
But don't even attempt to debate with this guy unless you are prepared to do a LOT of homework on the matter... atheists are ruthless, and will expect you to know everything about science, evolution, politics, history... you name it. It's very exhausting, and rather futile since you can't debate someone into faith anyway.
Instead, pray for him lots. Be reasonable. Display Christ to him through your life and words. Don't preach. Enter into his thoughts, by reading the book he gave you and asking questions about why he believes the way he does. Get him to read--at a popular level, Strobel's "Case for Christ" and "Case for Faith". If he's really a brain get him to read Plantinga's "Warrant" series. CS Lewis seems to appeal to atheists as well--try Mere Christianity and Surprised by Joy.
Most importantly, ask God to fill you with his Spirit so that you will not only live the truth, but that He will give you the right answers at the right time and discretion to know when there is no answer. And of course get into your Bible.
But don't even attempt to debate with this guy unless you are prepared to do a LOT of homework on the matter... atheists are ruthless, and will expect you to know everything about science, evolution, politics, history... you name it. It's very exhausting, and rather futile since you can't debate someone into faith anyway.
Instead, pray for him lots. Be reasonable. Display Christ to him through your life and words. Don't preach. Enter into his thoughts, by reading the book he gave you and asking questions about why he believes the way he does. Get him to read--at a popular level, Strobel's "Case for Christ" and "Case for Faith". If he's really a brain get him to read Plantinga's "Warrant" series. CS Lewis seems to appeal to atheists as well--try Mere Christianity and Surprised by Joy.
Most importantly, ask God to fill you with his Spirit so that you will not only live the truth, but that He will give you the right answers at the right time and discretion to know when there is no answer. And of course get into your Bible.
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I read "Anti-Christ" and was extremely disappointed. To be honest, if that's what atheists use to defend their position, then that's pretty pathetic. The book didn't actually have any logical arguments to support Nietzche's belief, it was just him spouting off about his hatred for God for 90 pages. It was pretty bad.
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^^^^ EXACTLY ! that book had no logical points what so ever. he would say things about jesus being an imposter and a liar and such. he made no examples of any 'truths' just slandering jesus, faith and the after life.
with what ive read i already want to know why this guy picked jesus to attack but lays no mention of budda allah or any other religon. why just christians? other religons believe in faith after life and the such.
this guy at work constantly comes to me with little to no knowledge of christ. one day he tried to say that jesus was actually trying to undermine the roman empire and wanted to take over to be rich. i patiently explained to him the story of jesus and the rich man when jesus told him to give away all his belongings to join him. it would be impossible to say jesus was after money when he never owned anything nor wanted to own anything. so i guess things like that happen alot but i will pray about it before i see him again tomorrow.
it would be a bad idea to openly rebuke this book to him right? it might appear im close minded and he wont want to listen to me after the fact
with what ive read i already want to know why this guy picked jesus to attack but lays no mention of budda allah or any other religon. why just christians? other religons believe in faith after life and the such.
this guy at work constantly comes to me with little to no knowledge of christ. one day he tried to say that jesus was actually trying to undermine the roman empire and wanted to take over to be rich. i patiently explained to him the story of jesus and the rich man when jesus told him to give away all his belongings to join him. it would be impossible to say jesus was after money when he never owned anything nor wanted to own anything. so i guess things like that happen alot but i will pray about it before i see him again tomorrow.
it would be a bad idea to openly rebuke this book to him right? it might appear im close minded and he wont want to listen to me after the fact
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you guys are also right in the fact that athiest think they know EVERYTHING...what i find funny is they think we are silly for having faith in christ while they put their faith in somone elses opinion..
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humility is key. don't get too worked up about it or too confident that he is completely wrong. remember that he believes what he does because of his life history--don't expect him to know anything about Christ until you model Christ for him and explain things to him. be patient. only God can change his heart.
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Just trust the Lord for the man and let the Holy Spirit work. Be patient with him and yourself. When you can give an answer to a question, do, but don't be offended by his apparent blindness to the truth. We were all blind at one time and only came to the truth, ourselves, by God's grace.
This link may give you some help answering questions: http://www.carm.org/
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Makes one think why would someone go to so much bother and have so much contempt for one who didn't exist, or if did is not the son of God.fields316_2000 said:
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Jaywalk said:Nietzche is the one who said, "God is dead."
Nietzche died in 1900.
I have a black t-shirt and it says
"God is dead."
-Frederick Nietzche
And then below it, it says:
"Nietzche is dead."
-God
I like it.
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I agree with you Morrissey- I read 10 pages of that book for free online ( I wouldnt spend money on that) and it was so boring and he just kept on accusing christianity of being wrong, a lie and the cause of suffering and mental anguish. Conclusion: He sucks
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Nietzche: It seems to me his biggest strength, lies in his surname (not very obvious how it is pronounced) so merely mentioning it (correctly) seems to invoke a certain degree of cultural sophistication
I think the big problem is that, people often like hiding in intellectual towers. The higher they climb, the harder they are to follow, you may not be able to coax them down, and you may only succeed in exhausting yourself, if you chase after them. In the end, it can turn out to be, nothing more than, an unhelpful distraction, from the things you should be doing.
It's tempting to think that if you are able to demonstrate, that you are just as capable as they are, of absorbing endless amounts of worthless information, then they will see the error of their ways and will actually begin to listen to what you have to say.
Tempting, but foolish. It's far better to just be the fool that you are. Which through no fault of your own, is gonna be, less of a fool than him.
IMHO: Atheism usually amounts to little more than an argument with itself, about a thing it doesn't really understand, but hates enough, to want to believe that it either does not exist, or that it wishes it didn't. Probably best to either steer clear, or get to the real issue.
I think the big problem is that, people often like hiding in intellectual towers. The higher they climb, the harder they are to follow, you may not be able to coax them down, and you may only succeed in exhausting yourself, if you chase after them. In the end, it can turn out to be, nothing more than, an unhelpful distraction, from the things you should be doing.
It's tempting to think that if you are able to demonstrate, that you are just as capable as they are, of absorbing endless amounts of worthless information, then they will see the error of their ways and will actually begin to listen to what you have to say.
Tempting, but foolish. It's far better to just be the fool that you are. Which through no fault of your own, is gonna be, less of a fool than him.
IMHO: Atheism usually amounts to little more than an argument with itself, about a thing it doesn't really understand, but hates enough, to want to believe that it either does not exist, or that it wishes it didn't. Probably best to either steer clear, or get to the real issue.
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