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Hi all,

I was having a discussion with 2 men this weekend one who has decided to join a masonic lodge and the other was trying to give him reasons why you cannot be a mason and an adventist. He basically said that you their beliefs are opposite of each other.

What do yall think? I will do some more research on the subject but wanted to find out what other people had to say on the subject.
 

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there is a very cool old movie called "The Brotherhood of the Bell" starring Glen Ford. it is a must see. i suggest you try to get your library to search for it for you. also, there is tons of info out there that exposes the freemasons as a "secret society" and all i've ever read said they were dangerous. my dad thought it was a religious men's organisation and he went and studied with them a few times. (my dad was a very nominal baptist) he got to the night of the initiation. all new members are required to strip down naked and walk up the aisle, bow before the leaders and submit their undying loyalty to the freemasons.
no true Christian should be involved with them.
i'd compare it to listening to a Marilyn Manson CD on your way to church.

Hi all,

I was having a discussion with 2 men this weekend one who has decided to join a masonic lodge and the other was trying to give him reasons why you cannot be a mason and an adventist. He basically said that you their beliefs are opposite of each other.

What do yall think? I will do some more research on the subject but wanted to find out what other people had to say on the subject.
 
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Those SDA's who regard EGW will take heed to these words:

Manuscript Releases Volume Sixteen [Nos. 1186-1235] (1990), page 287, paragraph 4

Chapter Title: MR No. 1227 - The Use of Natural Remedies in the Treatment of Illnesses; Challenging the Church to Reach the Entire World with the Gospel

The influence you have gained in the medical profession is large and broad, and in some respects it has been as God would have it. You have


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caused the light God has given you to shine forth to others, and this light has influenced others to labor in the different lines of the medical work. But according to the light the Lord has given me, something of the spirit of Freemasonry [THE FREEMASONS ARE A SECRET SOCIETY BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES OF BROTHERLINESS, CHARITY AND MUTUAL AID. APPARENTLY ELLEN WHITE SAW A PARALLEL BETWEEN THE SPIRIT OF THE CLOSE-KNIT MEDICAL FRATERNITY AND THAT OF THE FREEMASONS.] exists, and has built a wall about the work. The old, regular practice has been exalted as the only true method for the treatment of disease. And to a large degree this feeling has leavened the physicians connected with you. They have resorted to drugs in cases of fever--to break it up, as they have thought. This method has broken up fevers and other diseases, but in some cases it has broken up the whole man with it.


Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty [Nos. 1420-1500] (1993), page 164, paragraph 3

Chapter Title: MR No. 1457 - N. D. Faulkhead's Break With the Masons; Need for a House of Worship in Melbourne

I was thankful to see that the testimony of warning and encouragement given to Brother Faulkhead more than two years ago had been fully heeded, and that he had separated himself from the secret society of which he was a member. Jesus had spoken to him as He spoke to the fishermen, saying, "Follow Me," when they left their nets and followed Him. He called to him as He had called to Matthew sitting at the receipt of customs, and said, "Follow Me." The Lord had a work for this brother to do in His cause, and he heeded the word of invitation, and came to the gospel feast that was prepared for him. When I saw his deficiency in the work, I regretted that for years he had been bound up in the lodges of the secret society, and at the same time I rejoiced that his talents were now devoted to doing the very work that the Lord had pointed out as the work he should do.
 
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Manuscript Releases Volume Twenty [Nos. 1420-1500] (1993), page 167, paragraph 3

Chapter Title: MR No. 1458 - N. D. Faulkhead's Conversion and Business Ability

The Lord gave me a most interesting experience with Brother Faulkhead in regard to Freemasonry. If ever I saw a man that was worked by the Holy Spirit of God, this man was. I was sick, but it had been impressed upon his mind that Sister White had a message for him, and he must see her. He was admitted to my room, and he took my hand and said, "I do not wish to intrude, but I must speak with you. I was impressed as if a voice had told me that you had a message of importance from the Lord for me. If so, speak to me, and I will take heed to your words."
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I said a few words to him, and then told him to call my attendant to prepare me to sit up in the easy chair. I spoke plainly of the matter to him and of his dangers. He was about to receive a higher degree in the lodge, and I told him that if he took that advance step in the order of Freemasonry, he would give up the truth for the pride of honor, as he regarded it. The highest position in Freemasonry was a great temptation to him. His ambition to serve in the highest degree would place him in the bondage of worldly honor, just where he had desired to be, but it would prove the ruin of his soul. He was to consider that the ten commandments were given every man to be obeyed.
page 168, paragraph 2 My attendants were very fearful of the results of this taxing labor, but I bade them not to worry. The Lord had me in charge. After reading the long message to Brother Faulkhead, I added many more words which had been given me, and I entreated for that precious soul that he should decide to give up his bondage of Freemasonry, and take his stand with us as a people. I prayed; and he prayed, as a man wrestling for his soul.
page 168, paragraph 4 He had to walk seven miles to his home. The next day we attended the conference meeting in Melbourne, and he had his Freemason papers in his pocket. He was about to deliver them to the men in authority, and tell them that he would no longer serve in any capacity in their lodge. He said, "I was a converted man that night, and I wanted to sing and shout the praises of God. How I longed to see some of my brethren! I wanted to tell them I was a free man, and I wanted to tell them I was as happy as I could be. I wanted to praise God, and did praise God with all my heart and soul and voice."
 
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I know I am probably going to stir up a honets nest here but I am a master mason in the blue lodge, 32 degree Scottish rite mason and Shriner. I didn't join these when I was an Adventist. I can only speak from my personal view of what I was taught while going thru the degrees. The only thing I can say for sure that goes against my beliefs as an adventist is the immortality of the soul, thats it.

You have to declare a belief in God to become a mason and every lodge meeting is opened only when the Bible is open. There is a lot of symbols and symbolism in the lodge that represents a man's life and his behavior towards his fellow man, but suffice it to say all of it is good. They take a good man and encourage him to be a better man and to contribute to his community in a very positive way. I can tell you that much of the things they say against the masonic lodge in my experience and perspective is not true.

It's a fairly ancient fraternity/brother-hood of men who are very benevolent and charitable to children and orphans all over the world. As a brother in this fraternity you have to sware to not reveal the secrets of the degrees but there is absolutely nothing in the degrees that is bad. I can tell you that all of it is based on the building of King Solomon's Temple.

As an adventist now I know that I can be both without jeopardizing my current faith. I know that the fact that I refuse to accept the immortality of the sould will not get me kicked out of the fraternity. Nor will the fact that I worship on the 7th day get me kicked out either. One of the main tennets of the lodge is that it will not interfere with your family,work or faith.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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I know I am probably going to stir up a honets nest here but I am a master mason in the blue lodge, 32 degree Scottish rite mason and Shriner. I didn't join these when I was an Adventist. I can only speak from my personal view of what I was taught while going thru the degrees. The only thing I can say for sure that goes against my beliefs as an adventist is the immortality of the soul, thats it.

You have to declare a belief in God to become a mason and every lodge meeting is opened only when the Bible is open. There is a lot of symbols and symbolism in the lodge that represents a man's life and his behavior towards his fellow man, but suffice it to say all of it is good. They take a good man and encourage him to be a better man and to contribute to his community in a very positive way. I can tell you that much of the things they say against the masonic lodge in my experience and perspective is not true.

It's a fairly ancient fraternity/brother-hood of men who are very benevolent and charitable to children and orphans all over the world. As a brother in this fraternity you have to sware to not reveal the secrets of the degrees but there is absolutely nothing in the degrees that is bad. I can tell you that all of it is based on the building of King Solomon's Temple.

As an adventist now I know that I can be both without jeopardizing my current faith. I know that the fact that I refuse to accept the immortality of the sould will not get me kicked out of the fraternity. Nor will the fact that I worship on the 7th day get me kicked out either. One of the main tennets of the lodge is that it will not interfere with your family,work or faith.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

One question, Jim...can you mention the name Jesus in a masonic lodge?
 
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One question, Jim...can you mention the name Jesus in a masonic lodge?

Absolutely, there are many christians who are masons and to my knowledge there are no restrictions in any masonic lodge for talking of Christ or Christianity. The name of Jesus is not used in any of the ceremonies. However, keep in mind that the ceremonies are based on the building of king Solomon's temple which was before Christ was born.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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Absolutely, there are many christians who are masons and to my knowledge there are no restrictions in any masonic lodge for talking of Christ or Christianity. The name of Jesus is not used in any of the ceremonies. However, keep in mind that the ceremonies are based on the building of king Solomon's temple which was before Christ was born.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Jim,

Please carefully consider the testimonies the spirit of prophesy gave concerning Christians associated with these secrete societies.

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As the Faulkhead family--Mrs. Faulkhead was a teacher in the public school system--accepted the third angel's message, his unusual ability was recognized, and he was employed as treasurer in the Echo Publishing Company. He served well at first, but as time advanced he became more and more engrossed in his lodge work, and his interests in the work of God began to wane. {4BIO 49.7}
This was his situation when Ellen White arrived in Australia in December, 1891. As matters involving the publishing house workers were opened up to her in a comprehensive vision a few days after her arrival, she wrote of conditions there in general; she also penned testimonies to a number of the individuals involved, including Mr. Faulkhead and his wife. The document addressed to them dealt with his connection with the publishing house and his affiliation with the Masonic Lodge, and filled fifty pages. When she thought to mail it to him, she was restrained from doing so. She said, "When I enclosed the communication all ready to mail, it seemed that a voice spoke to me saying, 'Not yet, not yet, they will not receive your testimony.'"--Letter 39, 1893. {4BIO 50.1}

Ellen White said nothing regarding the matter for almost twelve months, but maintained a deep interest in Mr. and Mrs. Faulkhead and their spiritual welfare. Some of his associates in the publishing house were very much concerned as they observed his growing infatuation with the work of the lodge and his waning spirituality and decreasing concern for the interests of the cause of God. They pleaded with him, urging him to consider the danger of his course. "But," as Mr. Faulkhead states, "my heart was full of those things; in fact, I thought more of them than I did of anything else."--DF 522a, N. D. Faulkhead letter, Oct. 5, 1908. {4BIO 50.2}

He defiantly met the appeals with the bold statement "that he would not give up his connection with the Freemasons for all that Starr or White or any other minister might say. He knew what he was about, and he was not going to be taught by them."--Letter 21b, 1892. It was clear to those in charge of the work that unless a marked change came in his attitude, he would soon have to find other employment. {4BIO 50.3}

Mrs. White wrote of this experience: "None could reach him in regard to Freemasonry. He was fastening himself more and more firmly in the meshes of the enemy, and the only thing we could see to be done was to leave him to himself."--Letter 46, 1892
His condition was shown to her to be like that of "a man about to lose his balance and fall over a precipice" (MS 4, 1893). {4BIO 50.4}

For a period of months. Mrs. White held messages for him and thought to send them, but was restrained. {4BIO 51.1}

In early December, 1892, J. H. Stockton, one of the first Seventh-day Adventists in Australia, was talking with Mr. Faulkhead. He asked him what he would do if Ellen White had a testimony for him in regard to his connection with the lodge. To this Faulkhead boldly retorted: "It would have to be mighty strong." Neither man was aware that almost a year before, the whole matter had been opened to her.--DF 522a, N. D. Faulkhead to EGW, Feb. 20, 1908. {4BIO 51.2}

It was shortly after this, on Saturday night, December 10, that Mr. Faulkhead dreamed that the Lord had shown his case to Ellen White, and that she had a message for him. This, with his defiant reply to Stockton in regard to what would be his attitude toward a message through her, led him to serious thought. At the time of this dream Mrs. White was at Ballarat, but on Monday, December 12, as noted earlier, she had returned to Melbourne. The next day she attended the closing exercises of the first term of the Australasian Bible School. {4BIO 51.3}

With this dream vividly in his mind, Faulkhead found Ellen White, who greeted him cordially. He asked her whether she had something for him. She replied that the burden of his case was upon her mind, and that she had a message for him from the Lord, which she wished him and his wife to hear. She called for a meeting in the near future, when she would present that message. Faulkhead eagerly asked, "Why not give me the message now?"--Letter 46, 1892. {4BIO 51.4}

Although she was weary from her journey and her work that morning, Ellen White went over to a stand and picked up a bundle of manuscripts. She told Faulkhead that several times she had prepared to send the message, but that she "had felt forbidden by the Spirit of the Lord to do so"(ibid.), for the time had not fully come that he would accept it. {4BIO 51.5}

She then read and talked. A part of the fifty pages that were read that evening was of a general nature, relating to the work in the Echo Publishing Company and the experience of the workers employed there. But the major part dealt more particularly with Mr. Faulkhead's experience and his connection not only with the work in the office but also his affiliation with the Masonic Lodge. She pointed out that his involvement with Freemasonry had absorbed his time and blunted his spiritual perception. She read to him of his efforts to maintain high principles for which the lodge claimed to stand, often couching her message in Masonic language. She also told him where in the lodge hall she had seen him sitting and what he was endeavoring to do with his associates. She spoke of his increasing interest in the work of these organizations and of his waning interest in the cause of God; of her seeing in vision his dropping the small coins from his purse in the Sabbath offering plate and the larger coins into the coffers of the lodge. She heard him addressed as "Worshipful Master." She read of scenes of drinking and carousal that took place in the lodge meetings, especially after Mr. Faulkhead had left.--DF 522a, G. B. Starr," An Experience With Sister E. G. White in Australia." {4BIO 51.6}

"I thought this was getting pretty close home," he later wrote, "when she started to talk to me in reference to what I was doing in the lodges."--Ibid., N. D. Faulkhead letter, Oct. 5, 1908. {4BIO 52.1}


Ellen White Gives the Secret Signs

She spoke most earnestly of the dangers of his connection with Freemasonry, warning that "unless he severed every tie that bound him to these associations, he would lose his soul." She repeated to him words spoken by her guide. Then, giving a certain movement with her hands that was made by her guide, she said, "I cannot relate all that was given to me."--Letter 46, 1892. {4BIO 52.2}

At this, Faulkhead started and turned pale. Recounting the incident, he wrote: {4BIO 52.3}


Immediately she gave me this sign. I touched her on the shoulder and asked her if she knew what she had done. She looked up surprised and said she did not do anything unusual. I told her that she had given me the sign of a Knight Templar. Well, she did not know anything about it.--DF 522a, N. D. Faulkhead letter, Oct. 5, 1908. {4BIO 52.4}

They talked on. She spoke further of Freemasonry and the impossibility of a man being a freemason and a wholehearted Christian. Again she made a certain movement, which "my attending angel made to me" (MS 54, 1899). {4BIO 52.5}

Again Mr. Faulkhead started, and the blood left his face. A second time she had made a secret sign, one known only to the highest order of Masons. It was a sign that no woman could know, for it was held in the strictest secrecy--the place of meeting was guarded both inside and outside against strangers. "This convinced me that her testimony was from God," he stated.--Ibid. {4BIO 53.1}"


Chap. 13 - Should Christians Be Members of Secret Societies?

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? and what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty" (2 Cor. 6:14-18). {2SM 121.1}
The Lord's injunction, "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers" (2 Cor. 6:14), refers not only to the marriage of Christians with the ungodly, but to all alliances in which the parties are brought into intimate association, and in which there is need of harmony in spirit and action. The Lord gave special direction to Israel to keep themselves distinct from idolaters. They were not to intermarry with the heathen nor form any confederacy with them: "Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: but ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: for thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God" (Ex. 34:12-14). {2SM 121.2}

"For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: but because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers. . . . Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations" (Deut. 7:6-9). {2SM 122.1}

Again the Lord declares through the prophet Isaiah: {2SM 122.2}

"Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; ... Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us. For the Lord spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying, Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid. Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread" (Isa. 8:9-13). {2SM 122.3}

There are those who question whether it is right for Christians to belong to the Free Masons and other secret societies. Let all such consider the scriptures just quoted. If we are Christians at all, we must be Christians everywhere, and must consider and heed the counsel given to make us Christians according to the standard of God's Word. {2SM 122.4}
 
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Hi all,

I was having a discussion with 2 men this weekend one who has decided to join a masonic lodge and the other was trying to give him reasons why you cannot be a mason and an adventist. He basically said that you their beliefs are opposite of each other.

What do yall think? I will do some more research on the subject but wanted to find out what other people had to say on the subject.

You can read more about the freemasonry in the book Illuminati 666. The author mostly quoted from The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop.

http://www.luxverbi.org.uk/arch/illum.htm#Chapter2
 
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Thank you OntheDL,
The secrets were another aspect I didn't mention that bothers me as a Christian. Even though I know them and they all come directly from the Bible it is wrong in my opinion to keep the light of what freemasonry represents to be secret. After finding out about what the secrecy was I couldn't understand why it was even secret in the first place.

This is the first time I have read what Sister White has to say concerning freemasonry. As I was reading I had started the opinion that any kind of affliation could take over ones time and efforts to shadow our work for the Lord, but as I continued I kind of got a chill when I read of the angel showing her the sign of the Knights Templar ( of which I am one ). I am now convinced based on what Sister White says that we cannot be involved in this fraternity and practice the kind of Christianity that the Lord wants us to.

Again, thank you for the references.

God Bless you,
Jim Larmore
 
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I remember a pastor giving a sermon solely focussed on Freemasonry and secret societies. I cannot remember the details, however, his earnestness left a deep impression on me. I distinctly remember him repeatedly saying that the Lord had moved him throughout the week to give that message on that particular day. He very strongly warned against any affiliation with such groups.


I also am aware that all this "Illuminati" business is closely linked with secret societies, etc. But such things are usually scoffed at as conspiracy theorists gone mad.

Jon
 
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Thank you OntheDL,
The secrets were another aspect I didn't mention that bothers me as a Christian. Even though I know them and they all come directly from the Bible it is wrong in my opinion to keep the light of what freemasonry represents to be secret. After finding out about what the secrecy was I couldn't understand why it was even secret in the first place.

This is the first time I have read what Sister White has to say concerning freemasonry. As I was reading I had started the opinion that any kind of affliation could take over ones time and efforts to shadow our work for the Lord, but as I continued I kind of got a chill when I read of the angel showing her the sign of the Knights Templar ( of which I am one ). I am now convinced based on what Sister White says that we cannot be involved in this fraternity and practice the kind of Christianity that the Lord wants us to.

Again, thank you for the references.

God Bless you,
Jim Larmore

Praise the Lord! God bless you for your sincerity!
 
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Jim,

As I have been doing some research this afternoon. (man is there a lot of stuff out there) I would like to know what is true and what is a bunch of nonsense. I have read of a man named Albert Pike who apparently was a well respected man in the 1800s in the masonic lodges. There are quotes from his book speaking about Lucifer as the one who is truly worshipped as God and not Jesus. Is this true? One website even claims that Albert Pike had a spirit that would bring a spirit guide to instruct him and supposedly that spirit guide was lucifer? There was also some stuff about an initiation into the 32nd degree? re: satanic worship. It was pretty graphic and I don't think this is the place to describe what they said but if you are part of this and you are telling me there is nothing that goes against your beliefs than where do people get this stuff?
 
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Thanks for all the spirit of prophecy quotes. If you believe EGW to be inspired and she talks this way about the secret societies than I don't see how you can get around it. I would still like to know more about why exactly they are condemend by Mrs. White. Jim seemed to talk like there was nothing really wrong with them. Does anybody have any hard evidence besides hearsay?
 
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Thanks for all the spirit of prophecy quotes. If you believe EGW to be inspired and she talks this way about the secret societies than I don't see how you can get around it. I would still like to know more about why exactly they are condemend by Mrs. White. Jim seemed to talk like there was nothing really wrong with them. Does anybody have any hard evidence besides hearsay?

Look over the link in my previous post. Alexander Hislop was a pioneer archaeologist. His work is considered the foremost authority on mystersms.
 
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I remember a pastor giving a sermon solely focussed on Freemasonry and secret societies. I cannot remember the details, however, his earnestness left a deep impression on me. I distinctly remember him repeatedly saying that the Lord had moved him throughout the week to give that message on that particular day. He very strongly warned against any affiliation with such groups.


I also am aware that all this "Illuminati" business is closely linked with secret societies, etc. But such things are usually scoffed at as conspiracy theorists gone mad.

Jon

I don't know anything about the illuminati at all. If it is part of masonry it is not a part of what I went thru in the blue lodge, the scottish rite or the shrine.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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Jim,

As I have been doing some research this afternoon. (man is there a lot of stuff out there) I would like to know what is true and what is a bunch of nonsense. I have read of a man named Albert Pike who apparently was a well respected man in the 1800s in the masonic lodges. There are quotes from his book speaking about Lucifer as the one who is truly worshipped as God and not Jesus. Is this true? One website even claims that Albert Pike had a spirit that would bring a spirit guide to instruct him and supposedly that spirit guide was lucifer? There was also some stuff about an initiation into the 32nd degree? re: satanic worship. It was pretty graphic and I don't think this is the place to describe what they said but if you are part of this and you are telling me there is nothing that goes against your beliefs than where do people get this stuff?

Albert Pike wrote a book titled "Morals and Dogma" for the scottish rite. I have never read this book, I have heard some things about what he says in the book that I need to check out. On page 550 or around there is some statement ( hear-say information ) about satanism or satan worhip. I don't know if this book is available in public librarys or not, if it is it wouldn't be hard to confirm this easily.

Masonry is divided into several entities. The blue lodge is the primary and basic organization. You are not elible to receive scottish rite degrees or become a shriner unless you are a master mason in the blue lodge. The blue lodge has three degrees/lodges that can be opened. The entered apprentice, the fellow craft and the master mason degree/lodges. If you are an entered apprentice you cannot sit in any other lodge but an entered apprentice lodge. Once you are examined/tested then you go on to the next degree until you are initiated into the master mason degree which is the highest in the blue lodge.

Each degree requires an initiation where the candidate is lead thru the symbology and pledges involved in each degree. Then after each degree the candidate has to go to a brother mason where he is taught all of the aspects of the degree he just went thru. The candidate must memorize without the benefit of anything written down all of the information concerning the degree he's to be tested on in open lodge before the entire lodge. Essentially, the work is just a re-run of the activities of what happened to him when he was initiated in the particular degree. I've never witnessed , at any time , anything in a masonic ceremony that would be considered as satanic or satan worship. That includes the scottish rite and shrine ceremonies. There is an ongoing joke amoung masons that some folks say we ride a goat around in the lodge when some of the degrees are put on candidates but that is just a joke and a misinformation of the truth.

I can tell you anything you want to know about the lodge but the ceremonies and pledges/ oaths themselves and really there is nothing senister about the oaths. I can tell you that nearly all of it comes directly from the Bible and is about the building of King Solomon's Temple.

God bless
Jim Larmore
 
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Just one more note on this subject. I'm no longer now an active mason because of my conviction on what is right and wrong . Also, I don't know very much really and may be speaking from pure and simple ignorance concerning all of the aspects of freemasonry. However, with that said I can only say what I believe based on my personal experience.

Personally, I have experienced nothing but good things from the masonic lodge and it's sister organizations like the Scottish Rite and the Shrine. As a mason we have had the opportunity to help several million kids to receive much needed medical help for free. If we have a brother in need we take care of what ever that need is,,,,,period. There is never any fan fair or bravado we just do it. The year I became a shriner the leader of that organization sent out a letter to all of us telling us the hospitals we operate were over a million in the red. He said we can take care of this in one of two ways. We can ask a million shriners to donate a dollar a piece or one shriner to donate a million dollars. The deficit was taken care of in less than a week with several hundred thousand dollars to boot over the need. This is something the general public would never hear about unless you were directly involved with a mason at the time.

I think a lot of times when folks are not allowed full disclosure on what an organization is doing or is all about they fabricate all kinds of things that are not true. I can say with a clear conscious that my involvement in the masonic lodge has left me with nothing at all to be ashamed of or any guilt at all. However, If Sister White says it's not for us to be in then I accept that as a message from the Lord and I will comply fully.

God Bless
Jim Larmore
 
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I don't know anything about the illuminati at all. If it is part of masonry it is not a part of what I went thru in the blue lodge, the scottish rite or the shrine.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

The order of Illuminati was founded by a Jesuit Adam Weishaupt on May 1st, 1776. Many countries today celebrate May 1st as Labor Day.

Lucifer means the light bearer, the root of the Illuminati and Enlightenment.

At that time, the Jesuits were expelled and thrown into jails by monarchs of Europe. 1773, the Pope Clement XIV dissolved the Jesuit Order. The Jesuits went underground and set out to infiltrate various secret societies. When Freemasonry was weakened by the various revolutions during that time, it was infiltrated by the Illuminati's. Through fronts and fronts, the Jesuits of Rome carry out the agenda for the institution, but it would never be traced back to her.

In the book The Key of This Blood, Jesuit priest Malachi Martin tells the story.

Anyways, the highest masons, 33 degree are initiated into various orders of Illuminati. The uninitiated will never know the secret agenda.
 
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