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Freewill or not; a headcount
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Oh good, it's been 24 hours since a free will thread. 
We should start a new drinking game...
I'm theist free-willer.
We should start a new drinking game...I'm theist free-willer.
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Wait it just occurred to me that this thread is a clever joke, right? We're being asked to choose whether we can choose...? 
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Wait it just occurred to me that this thread is a clever joke, right? We're being asked to choose whether we can choose...?
Ah, no. You are asked to choose whether you can choose freely as opposed to choose as a bird chooses which bug to eat.
And, of course, you could not have done differently than you did
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Ah, no. You are asked to choose whether you can choose freely as opposed to choose as a bird chooses which bug to eat.
And, of course, you could not have done differently than you did
To "choose un-freely" would be a contradiction in terms. The poll, like life itself, would be pointless. Resistance is futile. All your base are belong to us...
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Not at all; animals choose but very few try to claim a worm has freewill. A choice is merely a selection.
And anyway, for a choice to be a choice it has to be driven by something or it is just random.
Oh nooooo, another freewill thread!
Back to the poll with you, now!
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And you've discussed this with birds and worms often?
Did God ever choose anything?
I like freewill threads.
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Yes.
Determinism allows for choice. It just doesn't allow for free choice - in other words, each being choses as its nature directs it to.
Freewill is just random by another name.
Well, you can't help that.
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Yes He acts as His nature directs. I'm asking if His nature is determined by physical factors, or anything other than Himself.
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God is sovereign over all that occurs.
He is not random though; he acts in accord with His nature.
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Why do you keep mentioning randomness? The exercise of will is not equated with randomness. I'm sure you're familiar with the word logos, the principle of divine reason and creative order.
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FREE will is randomness.
There is only determinism; and God acts as His nature directs.
Why do you keep asking me what is in essence the same question?
Events, and that includes choices, either happen because they are caused or they happen independently of being caused.
If they happen because they are caused, they are determined and not Free.
If they happen independently of being caused, they are random and not Will.
There is no evidence that randomness exists; everything that happens does so under cause and effect.
Thus, there is no Free Will and no Randomness.
Hence, there is only determinism, and everything acts as its nature directs.
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