"Freewill" offerings.

[pawnraider]

I was reading on a website which is critical of Calvinism and it claims to refute it easily by stating that there are at least 16 references to "freewill offerings".

It also notes that Calvinism has a Catholic-as in Roman Catholic-connection since its theology is closely connected to or with Augustine.

Thoughts?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I was reading on a website which is critical of Calvinism and it claims to refute it easily by stating that there are at least 16 references to "freewill offerings".

It also notes that Calvinism has a Catholic-as in Roman Catholic-connection since its theology is closely connected to or with Augustine.

Thoughts?

Do you have a point or argument?

You do understand that Calvinism and free will are not mutually exclusive, right?

Further, soteriology and giving are different subjects.

 

[pawnraider]

Do you have a point or argument?

You do understand that Calvinism and free will are not mutually exclusive, right?

Further, soteriology and giving are different subjects.

Right. Turn it down a bit.

For what it's worth that person doesn't seem to think so. So how would you respond to her?

Also, what about the so-called connection between Augustine/Roman Catholic connection? Many Calvinists seem to have a rather high, if not inflated, opinion of Augustine although I don't see why.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Right. Turn it down a bit.

For what it's worth that person doesn't seem to think so. So how would you respond to her?

Also, what about the so-called connection between Augustine/Roman Catholic connection? Many Calvinists seem to have a rather high, if not inflated, opinion of Augustine although I don't see why.

"Right. Turn it down a bit." Are you British?

"So how would you respond to her?" I don't debate theology with women.

What's your specific problem with Augustine?

 

[pawnraider]

"Right. Turn it down a bit." Are you British?

No

"So how would you respond to her?" I don't debate theology with women.

Why not?

What's your specific problem with Augustine?

He provided a theological justification for the Inquisition.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No

Beginning a sentence with, "right", is a peculiarly British thing.

Why not?

I have, and will continue to, discuss theology with women; however, when it gets beyond that, I pass. Men and women are wired differently.

He provided a theological justification for the Inquisition.

Does that mean every idea he every had is wrong?

 

[pawnraider]

Does that mean every idea he every had is wrong?

No. But then how does one decide which ideas aren't wrong?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

No. But then how does one decide which ideas aren't wrong?

The same way one gets Reformed: Find a Bible; open the Bible; read the Bible; get Reformed.

Back to the OP. What's your specific question?

 

[pawnraider]

The same way one gets Reformed: Find a Bible; open the Bible; read the Bible; get Reformed.

Back to the OP. What's your specific question?

My 2nd posting in this post which is:

For what it's worth that person doesn't seem to think so. So how would you respond to her?

Also, what about the so-called connection between Augustine/Roman Catholic connection? Many Calvinists seem to have a rather high, if not inflated, opinion of Augustine although I don't see why.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

My 2nd posting in this post which is:

Ok.

There have been many, many people who have objected to Calvinism. Some random woman on the inter web isn't going to get my time. I'm not going to read the ramblings of any person with a website; however, I will take the time to explain something or answer YOUR objections.

What specific issue or question do YOU have?

 

[AMR]

I have no idea what freewill offer means. God sincerely offers salvation to all who believe in Christ. The offer is therefore conditional on faith. Advocates of the so-called "well meant" offer remove the condition on which God's sincerity is expressed.

God offers salvation by Jesus Christ to sinners. Sinners as such are called to believe in Christ. The promise of salvation is to as many as believe. There is no desire expressed in the gospel for the salvation of those who do not believe. Those who say that there is a desire to save men who will not believe in Christ have effectively devised their own message of salvation. Holy Scripture never separates the offer of the gospel from the purpose of God to save sinners by faith in Jesus Christ.

Both Rome and the Reformed claim Augustine, the latter more properly so than the former. Rome has long since departed from Augustine's fundamentals in favor of Aquinas. The blogger in question has no depth of historical understanding of both Rome and the Reformed. A good steward of the time granted him by the Lord will likely want to ignore vain babblings.

 

[twin1954]

Free will offerings were simply offerings that were not required by the law. They were given freely and picture the way believers give today. With a free hand and grace in the heart.