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Freedom, could we have it by human nature alone?
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<blockquote data-quote="GoldenKingGaze" data-source="post: 68704262" data-attributes="member: 181417"><p>Freedom, could this word, this concept exist without Moses and the Christ? Could it exist without Martin Luther? Could we have free thinking as we know in the 21st century without great Christians?</p><p></p><p>Under Moses ancient Hebrews were free from bondage to beggarly idols and wickedness, but bound to law, which much so revealed recurring faults in human nature and that more that knowing the law was needed. Elijah saw great success having God's presence and power.</p><p></p><p>Christ gave grace and truth. His freedom is freedom of empathy, freedom from wickedness and hate, built on Moses, correcting Moses.</p><p></p><p>The Greeks and Romans had slaves and free. A simple political idea, not free spirit, or free flesh, but people could work as or travel where they wanted. Nero spoiled all that. This begins the dictatorship style.</p><p></p><p>The ancient Roman Catholics had saints, who broke free in the faith, in spirit. Like Bishop Augustine, free flesh, bound spirit, to free spirit. Initially right and meaning well, the church became restrictive on heretics, even killing them cruelly, some turning out to be right. Huss was killed and spoke of another. PJP2 admitted Huss may have been right.</p><p></p><p>As predicted Martin Luther used high position people to secure himself then protested and could not be killed like Huss. Luther is accredited with breaking free and starting the move of free conscience and free thought. Free faith too.</p><p></p><p>Could humans alone have invented free thought? Could the concept have been in existence and popular without the Gospel and attempted adherents?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GoldenKingGaze, post: 68704262, member: 181417"] Freedom, could this word, this concept exist without Moses and the Christ? Could it exist without Martin Luther? Could we have free thinking as we know in the 21st century without great Christians? Under Moses ancient Hebrews were free from bondage to beggarly idols and wickedness, but bound to law, which much so revealed recurring faults in human nature and that more that knowing the law was needed. Elijah saw great success having God's presence and power. Christ gave grace and truth. His freedom is freedom of empathy, freedom from wickedness and hate, built on Moses, correcting Moses. The Greeks and Romans had slaves and free. A simple political idea, not free spirit, or free flesh, but people could work as or travel where they wanted. Nero spoiled all that. This begins the dictatorship style. The ancient Roman Catholics had saints, who broke free in the faith, in spirit. Like Bishop Augustine, free flesh, bound spirit, to free spirit. Initially right and meaning well, the church became restrictive on heretics, even killing them cruelly, some turning out to be right. Huss was killed and spoke of another. PJP2 admitted Huss may have been right. As predicted Martin Luther used high position people to secure himself then protested and could not be killed like Huss. Luther is accredited with breaking free and starting the move of free conscience and free thought. Free faith too. Could humans alone have invented free thought? Could the concept have been in existence and popular without the Gospel and attempted adherents? [/QUOTE]
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