In that scripture Jesus was refering to the casting out of demons, but the same would be true for a religion too, or country. I was talking to the Rev. in my last post. He seemed to get a little defensive like I was attacking it. I didn't know Ken Copeland had negative feelings towards freemason but I'll ask him about it. I like the poster on the wall in his believers voice of victory broadcastd that says JESUS IS LORD. I pressed the edit button just so I could give you thisPlan 9 said:That's how I understood your post, urnotme. Thanks!
I have something to interject here, just in case anyone runs away with the wrong idea.In case you misunderstood my post I was trying to defend your faith.
Oh, really?Bill McElligott said:Freemasonry is not a Faith.
And, from Wayne's often quoted www.phoenixmasonry.org:Yet while all these-belief in God, honour to men, loyalty to the King, and recognition of social rights-are tenets of our Masonic faith, perhaps in a truer sense is the Pillar that guides the lonely mariner at sea a symbol of our Craft.
THE PILLARS OF FREEMASONRY THEIR ORIGIN AND MEANING by
WILLIAM HARVEY, J.P.
So, if there isn't such a thing as a Masonic Faith, then why do Masons speak of one?"Brotherly love, Relief and Truth," if a masonic faith, a masonic hope, and a masonic charity did not pervade the minds and hearts of those who entered and dwelt in her courts, then would the order exist only in name, a solemn mockery, a hiss and a bye-word, provoking only the contempt of the world and the reprobation of heaven.
Once again, you ignore the basic roots of what is said. Remove the word "Masonic" from what was said, and you end up with "Faith, hope, and charity." That's a very common expression from a very commonly-used and quoted and memorized piece of Scripture, the 13th chapter of 1st Corinthians. You will find it commonly quoted in Masonry as well. The tenets of brotherly love, relief, and charity have no conflict with Christianity."Brotherly love, Relief and Truth," if a masonic faith, a masonic hope, and a masonic charity did not pervade the minds and hearts of those who entered and dwelt in her courts, then would the order exist only in name, a solemn mockery, a hiss and a bye-word, provoking only the contempt of the world and the reprobation of heaven.
So, if there isn't such a thing as a Masonic Faith, then why do Masons speak of one?
A faith in the principles of Freemasonry. A Freemason takes this so called blasphemous oath, "to be faithful to his God , his Country and its laws."our Masonic faith, perhaps in a truer sense is the Pillar that guides the lonely mariner at sea a symbol of our Craft.
a faith in the principles of Freemasonry. "Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known."if a masonic faith, a masonic hope, and a masonic charity did not pervade the minds and hearts of those who entered and dwelt in her courts
Oh, really?
So, if there isn't such a thing as a Masonic Faith, then why do Masons speak of one?
Nilahk81 said:Well, it's hit 200. Check back in at 300.
Diane_Windsor said:I am highly doubtful of that claim. Anybody who claims to know the secrets of the Mason I am highly suspsicious of. How did they get the secrets? If they were former Masons then why are they breaking their oath not to divulge any secrets? From the outset, a person who breaks their oaths does not have much credibility in my eyes. It seems that former Masons have axes to grind.
Some Christian family members are/were Freemasons, and others are/were members of their female counterparts-the Eastern Star is one example I think. I do not see it as incompatiable with Christianity at all, and some-like the Shriners-do a great amount of good.
Diane
Might I assume, from this statement of yours, that if a former member of the Branch Davidians or Jim Jones cults broke ranks and said what really goes on, then they're automatically liars? Should we be suspicious? Yes. Should we automatically discount their testimonies as deceitful? Hardly. I've no problem stating and defending what my church believes, or any organization to which I belong, for that matter. There are no "grand imperial secrets" to guard.
I've no problem stating and defending what my church believes, or any organization to which I belong, for that matter. There are no "grand imperial secrets" to guard.
cwebber said:I guess it would depended on if they were trying to sell something. Intertesting to note that Ankerburg and Weldon both claimed to have been Masons, Yet when caught in their Lie they both removed the material in the book but never made a Note of it.
Should we be suspicious. Scripture tells us we should always trial the spirits that come to use to see if they are of God or not. Well Try those who are Against Freemasonry it has been my experince that only one has stood to be an Honorable man so far as I know. The rest seem to claim to Freemaosnry can over power Christ because they state that the same fate will fall on the Christian Mason as it will the Hindu, Jewish, and Muslim Mason the Apron will come off or Burn Off. Implying the Christian who is a Mason will burn in Hell with the others.
Tell me if I tried this spirit of Anti-Masonry against Scripture how do you think it would stand.
Anti-Masons have stated that a Christian will burn in Hell, Scripture tells use Christ covers all sins. Which is True.
We know Mr. Gentry stand with those who state a Christian who is a Mason will burn in Hell. He has yet to renounce them.
Niether do I that is why we are here to defend our Christian Brothers who are being told they are going to Hell because they are Masons. And we are defending Masonry which teaches to Love your nieghbor.
He will stand with them no matter what they say, they generally stand as a unit, like the "ex-Mason League."We know Mr. Gentry stand with those who state a Christian who is a Mason will burn in Hell. He has yet to renounce them.
Yes and it is often the case that Freemasons are officers of the church they attend. It make sense really, because they are trying to help their fellow man.billmcelligott said:Of course you should remember that the vast majority, about 80% of Masonic population of the world attend Christian Churches ?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm
We see here that Christianity has about 33% of the worlds population claiming membership. From this approximately 4.8 Million Freemasons claim membership.
So it is not an either or situation. Posters are trying to give the impression that Freemasonry is a Religion, if that is so why do its members not give up their Christian Faith. Its easy to do, you just say OK I am not a Christian, There is nothing to stop every one of those 4.8 saying just that.
So ask yourself why they do not. to keep the answer un-obfuscate. Because they believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and savior and no one is going to tell them otherwise. Its called Faith, a blind faith that will not be moved shuffled or shifted by others.
It is very common that the active Mason is an active Church member. You may wish to refer to Waynes piece to see , where did he meet his Masons?
The detractors would have you believe that these men of good, honest and true character , pray to a concocted God on Friday and go to Church on Sunday. Ask yourself why? why on Earth would they bother.
Rev Wayne said:Then could you please share that information with e=mv^2? He keeps rambling on about these Buddhists and Hindus who are Masons, who also seem to have forgotten to relinquish their religious choice.
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