Free Grace vs. Hyper-grace

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Free Grace believes that you are freely justified by his grace, cannot lose salvation. But Free Grace does not teach live however you want with no consequences. there will be consequences on this Earth, God will punish believers, chastise us may even take us home early. And you will lose rewards at the Judgement seat of Christ, But you don't lose salvation. Free Grace believe that one SHOULD live a good life, repent from sins daily, but not a MUST for salvation. Hypergrace believes that you should live however you want and will face no consequences, you shouldn't repent of sins or clean up the life, you shouldn't become a disciple, die daily, take up the cross, follow Jesus, etc. In fact some will say it is good to sin, and they use empty platitudes like "walking by faith" when they live wickedly and willfully sinning, that is the difference. Free Grace is always being accused of Hyper-grace but that's not true, in fact Free Grace preachers are often the hardest against sin and living a bad life. Paul was accused of this in Romans 3:8 and Free grace people are being accused of it today as well, whenever you preach that we are saved by grace through faith, or faith alone salvation, wicked people accuse you of being this hyper-grace teaching license to sin, promoting sin and living badly however it isn't true. I don't preach pro sin doctrine at all, there are absolutely consequences in this life when you sin, however you can never lose your salvation. Because salvation is a free gift. And there are people who infiltrate Free Grace and try to teach pro sin doctrines, telling people to go commit sins, but that is not what true Free Grace has ever believed or taught.

Make no mistake about it, salvation is a free gift. Jesus paid it all. but discipleship is not free, discipleship takes work and getting the sin out of your life, dying daily. You don't have to be a disciple to be saved, but you should be a disciple if you want rewards in Heaven, and to avoid punishment in this life.

Scriptures used:

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Acts 16:30-31 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Hebrews 12:6-8
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

Jude 1:4 “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Matthew 5:19 “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

 

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I don’t see any major difference here morally speaking. Both Free Grace and Hyper-Grace are turning God’s grace into a license for immorality (See: Jude 1:4).

 

[Danthemailman]

Jude 1:4 “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. (vs. 19) It's these ungodly men (make believers) who turn the grace of our God into lasciviousness in CONTRAST with the saints who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ. (vs. 1) In Psalm 37:28, we read - For the Lord loves justice, and does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

 

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Jesus said you will know them by their fruits.

Also, what does the phrase, "turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness," actually mean?

Webster defines lasciviousness as:

lustfulness​

Your Dictionary defines lascivious as:

Characterized by or expressing lust​

While Modern Bibles are not always correct, I believe some Modern Bibles help in this instance to capture the idea here.

The Berean Standard Bible says,

"They turn the grace of our God into a license for immorality, " (Jude 1:4) (BSB)​

If one believes they can sin and still be saved and yet God is telling them they should live righteously or they will ONLY be chastened here on this Earth with no consequence to their soul in the afterlife, it is not taking sin all that seriously, and its consequences. The wages of sin is death according to the apostle Paul.

Imagine if a believer murders, sleeps around with tons of women, gets drunk, and does other kinds of horrible evils. Say they believe that they are against Hyper-Grace and they believe in the chastening of God. Are they really just going to lose rewards? Are they not also turning God's grace into lustfulness? Are they not abusing God's grace into thinking they can do all kinds of sins and yet they are still saved? They may even say they may strive at times to do good, but it does not really matter if they are doing evil and thinking they are saved by a belief alone in Jesus. They are turning God's grace into a license for immorality. They are part of the group of ungodly men! They are ungodly because of their wrong conduct and in the fact that they abuse God's grace on some level. Remember, it only took one sin for the fall to happen. If you justify even just one sin of lying and you believe you are saved by a belief alone in Jesus despite your lying, you are going straight to hell because you are turning God's grace into a license for immorality. You are not asking forgiveness of this sin believing that this sin can lead to death. You believe Jesus paid it all, and so you turn His grace into a license to sin or lustfulness on some level.

God's people are characterized by upholding a standard of morality or goodness because we reflect the same attitude God has about sin. To say we can sin and still be saved means God would have to agree with that line of thinking, too. But God does not condone sin. Jesus never condoned or justified sin. Paul says we have the mind of Christ. Do you really have the mind of Christ?

This is why Belief Alone Salvationism is a scam. The moment you say that Jesus paid for all your future sin because you have a belief alone on Him as your Savior is the moment you begin to turn His grace into lustfulness or into a license for immorality. Titus 2:11-12 says God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world. Oh, but not in the OSAS world. Not in the Belief Alone Camp. They say, "We all sin" and they wave 1 John 1:8 as if it was some kind of justiification to sin or in the fact that they are slaves to sin.

Matthe 13:41-42 says that the Son of Man will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all who do iniquity and they will be cast into the furnace of fire. So those believers who thought they can do iniquity and be saved are going to be cast out by Jesus' angels.
Jesus has to do this before He gives His kingdom back to God the Father.
Also see John 8:34-35. The servant of sin will not abide in the house forever (i.e., they will not abide in the house of Christ forever).
In addition, Romans 6:16 says, "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?"

Think. 1 John 3:4 says the breaking of the command or Law is sin.
What was one of the first lies of the devil?
He desired Eve to think she could break God’s command and not die.
But that is exactly what happened.
Today, this same lie is being pushed today.
So this is why we as believers are told to strive to enter the narrow gate.
But if you think you can sin and still be saved, what kind of narrow gate or path are you even on?
In context, tne narrow gate mentioned in Scripture is in view of false believers who Jesus cast out because they worked iniquity.
Are you working iniquity because you believe Jesus is your proxy?
While Jesus can forgive our sins, there is only mercy if we confess and forsake our sins (See: Proverbs 28:13).

 

[Cockcrow]

these infiltrators who creep into free grace churches teaching that its ok to go sin now that we're saved, and don't ever preach the commands because thats putting people under the law, look I agree in terms of salvation you do not have to follow the law, absolutely salvation is 100% faith alone. Now after we are saved we SHOULD want to keep the commands, live a good life to avoid chastisement on this Earth. Will we live a perfect life? No because we still have the flesh, but we should choose to walk in the spirit not fulfill the lust of the flesh, etc. Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. not keep my suggestions. now obviously you dont keep commandments to be saved or stay saved, thats works salvation, that's a false gospel. however the Bible absolutely teaches us to try and live a good life after we are saved.

 

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No. Jude 1:4 is referring to both Hyper Grace, and Free Grace believers.
They both wrongfully believe they can sin and still be saved on some level (which is turning God's grace into a license for immorality).
The Free Grace believer holds to the view that they will only get a slap on the wrist in this life by chastisement, and or lose rewards at the Judgment. But they also believe you can do evil while ignoring the true consequences of sin as taught in Scripture in the fact that sin leads to spiritual death. Note: Chastisement is only for those believers who do not have a sin and still be saved mindset. The true consequences of sin is destruction in the Lake of Fire for even the believer unless they confess and forsake their sin.
Anyway, the reality is that both the Free Grace, and Hyper Grace believer are not going to make it into the Kingdom with their current kind of attitude towards sin (unless they repent) because they are going against tons of verses in Scripture on the true consequences of sin, and basic morality. Believers have to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (Proverbs 28:13).

Here is the Bible's teaching on...

Serious Sin Can Separate Us From GOD Verses:

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

"But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.” (Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).

 

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Also, why would God chastise you to do good and not sin if such things are not a part of keeping you from slipping out of the Kingdom of God? If one believes they can sin and still be saved, chastisement, and or loss of rewards (they never seen) is not a sufficient motivation to stop sinning. A believer will always justify the idea they can sin and still be saved on some level with this kind of thinking and it can lead others to go down the road of darkness, as well. Imagine if you teach a child this garbage. They will turn God's grace into a license to sin and they will not care about chastisement or a loss of rewards. Chastisement? We can be persecuted for our faith. Loss of rewards? They never even got to see them. But again, the real problem here is that the Bible teaches we will be cast into the furnace of fire if we think we can sin and still be saved. The real narrow gate or path is to confess and forsake sin and to seek to overcome it (believing that sin can destroy your soul). Why would Satan even bother with trying to sift believers if he knew they were forever locked in and saved by a belief alone in Jesus?

Chastisement is a warning only to the Conditional Salvationist Believer letting them know that they need to get back on track otherwise they are in danger of hellfire. Just look at the context of Matthew 7:14. It is talking in context to false believers and not unbelievers, pagans, etcetera. The narrow way is within the scope of professing believers of the Lord. The bad trees are false prophets. The good trees are the saints who know the Lord by not justifying sin.

Sin and still be saved Salvationism believers have basically told me they only break fellowship with the Lord Jesus because of sin, and yet they believe they will still magically enter the Kingdom. Many of them believed this way since they accepted Christ. I believe Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:23). In other words, if one believes they can sin and still be saved, they are working iniquity and going against the Bible’s true teaching that sin will lead even the believer to the Lake of Fire.

 

[BNR32FAN]

these infiltrators who creep into free grace churches teaching that its ok to go sin now that we're saved, and don't ever preach the commands because thats putting people under the law, look I agree in terms of salvation you do not have to follow the law, absolutely salvation is 100% faith alone. Now after we are saved we SHOULD want to keep the commands, live a good life to avoid chastisement on this Earth. Will we live a perfect life? No because we still have the flesh, but we should choose to walk in the spirit not fulfill the lust of the flesh, etc. Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. not keep my suggestions. now obviously you dont keep commandments to be saved or stay saved, thats works salvation, that's a false gospel. however the Bible absolutely teaches us to try and live a good life after we are saved.

So right here you’re saying that we should obey Christ’s teachings but we don’t have to because once we’re saved we can do whatever we want and still be saved. So we can curse God and worship satan and go around on a murderous raping killing spree and still go to heaven because we believe in Christ? You really should read Matthew 7:21-27 again because that is not what Jesus taught at all.

 

[Cockcrow]

So right here you’re saying that we should obey Christ’s teachings but we don’t have to because once we’re saved we can do whatever we want and still be saved. So we can curse God and worship satan and go around on a murderous raping killing spree and still go to heaven because we believe in Christ? You really should read Matthew 7:21-27 again because that is not what Jesus taught at all.

Psalm 89:29-36 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

There are a lot of people who mock this biblical fact of sinning and only being punished on this Earth by God, but not losing your salvation, but this is what the bible says. They mock and say "so I can live however I want and still go to heaven but just temporarily punished on this Earth?" Yes that's what clear bible says. Salvation isn't based on keeping commandments, salvation is based on Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ 100% for salvation, not your own works.

Titus 1:2 “In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”

1 John 2:25 “And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.”

Now that doesn't mean we should live that wicked life because God will chasten us possibly take us home early if we break his commandments. but he will not take away your salvation, once you are born in his family, you are his forever. eternal life. John 5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

Romans 8:38-39 “For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

 

[BNR32FAN]

Psalm 89:29-36 29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven. 30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments; 31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; 32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes. 33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail. 34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips. 35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. 36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

You just quoted the covenant God made with David, not the new Covenant God made during Christ’s ministry.

There are a lot of people who mock this biblical fact of sinning and only being punished on this Earth by God, but not losing your salvation, but this is what the bible says.

That’s what God said to David it’s not the new Covenant. So you say that we can curse God, worship satan, and rape & murder and still be saved but Paul said the exact opposite in Ephesians 5. Now before I quote Ephesians 5 allow me to quote Ephesians 4 so we know exactly who Paul is writing this to.

”Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.“
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4‬:‭30‬-‭32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Here’s the last 3 verses from Ephesians 4 which tells us that Paul is addressing believers who are sealed with the Holy Spirit. Now let’s read the next chapter and see what Paul says about satan worshipers and murderers.

”Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children; and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma. But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints; and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks. For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.“
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

No immoral or idolatrous person has an inheritance in the kingdom of God and because of these things they will receive the wrath of God. So they not only don’t go to heaven they receive God’s wrath. Everyone who doesn’t go to heaven is thrown into the lake of fire, that is God’s wrath for everyone who doesn’t go to heaven.

They mock and say "so I can live however I want and still go to heaven but just temporarily punished on this Earth?" Yes that's what clear bible says.

No that’s not what the Bible says. You need to read as I just proved with Ephesians 4 & 5 and you should read Matthew 7:21-27 which says the same thing.

”“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7‬:‭21‬-‭27‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Salvation isn't based on keeping commandments, salvation is based on Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ 100% for salvation, not your own works.

According to Galatians 5:4 are these people saved?

”You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.“
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

According to Galatians 3:1-3 they had received the Holy Spirit.

”You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified? This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?“
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So are they still saved even tho they’ve been severed from Christ and fallen from grace?

According to 2 Timothy 2:12 could Paul and Timothy lose their salvation?

”If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;“
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Every time I ask you about these verses you never reply.