Fornication is Idolatry

[Zaac]

22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Romans 1:22-25

Left and right the homosexual fornicators is worshipping their sinful desires and placing that desire to fornicate ahead of Christ.

Shameful.

 

[flicka]

No.
Fornication is fornication.
Idolatry is idolatry.
Both are specific and different.
You don't need to redefine old words to support your position.

 

[Zaac]

No.
Fornication is fornication.
Idolatry is idolatry.
Both are specific and different.
You don't need to redefine old words to support your position.

Fornication is STILL at its basest form idolatry.

 

[Zecryphon]

No.
Fornication is fornication.
Idolatry is idolatry.
Both are specific and different.
You don't need to redefine old words to support your position.

So are you saying that there is no way that a person could love fornication so much, that it becomes the one thing that they desire and think about? It can't become an idol? Isn't the multi-billion dollar pornography industry in California built upon fornication? Aren't there people who just love the idea of sex and sexual fantasy so much that it becomes an idol to them and they spend more time thinking about that and loving that than they do God?

 

[Zaac]

So are you saying that there is no way that a person could love fornication so much, that it becomes the one thing that they desire and think about? It can't become an idol? Isn't the multi-billion dollar pornography industry in California built upon fornication? Aren't there people who just love the idea of sex and sexual fantasy so much that it becomes an idol to them and they spend more time thinking about that and loving that than they do God?

Preceisely Zecryphon. You've got folks who are so tied up in their homosexual identities and their desire to fornicate with the same sex while attempting to call themselves Christians that they have elevated teir desire for the things of the flesh above a HOLY GOD.

It's despicably shameful.

 

[Zecryphon]

Preceisely Zecryphon. You've got folks who are so tied up in their homosexual identities and their desire to fornicate with the same sex while attempting to call themselves Christians that they have elevated teir desire for the things of the flesh above a HOLY GOD.

It's despicably shameful.

Okay, and now let's look at our side. Can you say with 100% certainty that there are not Christians in this thread or on this forum that are not thinking about pornography or the idea of sex more than they are thinking about God? Heterosexual Christians can have their idols too. It doesn't have to be porn or sex either, it can be anything that takes our focus off of God and puts it on to something else.

 

[Zaac]

Okay, and now let's look at our side. Can you say with 100% certainty that there are not Christians in this thread or on this forum that are not thinking about pornography or the idea of sex more than they are thinking about God? Heterosexual Christians can have their idols too. It doesn't have to be porn or sex either, it can be anything that takes our focus off of God and puts it on to something else.

Nothing but utter, absolute agreement about looking at the other side because they do rival each other. The big difference is that you don't find too many heterosexuals who try and try to change God's Word to make their fornication into anything less than sin.

Lots of folks know that fornication is wrong. But they readily admit that they are just having fun and doing what they want to do.

 

[davedjy]

Anyone on either side of the debate can humor the idea that sex outside of marriage can be perceived as "fornication".

YOU have unleveled the playing ground after your own religious terms, since you believe heterosexual sex inside marriage is not fornication, yet homosexual sex will always be fornication.

The truth doesn't lie...you cannot prove that marriage is based upon the exclusive bounds of the gender of the two people, and neither can anyone else. You have also yet to prove even by the Bible that anal OR oral sex between 2 gender people is "fornication", or defined as such.

 

[IamRedeemed]

The Word of God, teaches us that any pet sins really,
that we allow to be exalted above the Lord God or
what He has said, in our lives is idolatry
and it is also spiritual adultery. Fornication is just one
of the things that is known to be something God has told
us to flee from, so if we say He is Lord, but do not obey
His Word and look to do the things that are pleasing
in His sight because we love Him, then we truly deceive ourselves
when we say He is Lord.

God bless

Psalm 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:

No.
Fornication is fornication.
Idolatry is idolatry.
Both are specific and different.
You don't need to redefine old words to support your position.

 

[Ohioprof]

22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. Romans 1:22-25

Left and right the homosexual fornicators is worshipping their sinful desires and placing that desire to fornicate ahead of Christ.

Shameful.

That's not true. Gay people who choose to marry our spouses are not "fornicators." Many gay people are married spouses.

 

[Ohioprof]

Fornication is STILL at its basest form idolatry.

It's not fornication if people are married. Many gay couples are married, either spiritually, legally, or both.

 

[Zecryphon]

"Nothing but utter, absolute agreement about looking at the other side because they do rival each other. The big difference is that you don't find too many heterosexuals who try and try to change God's Word to make their fornication into anything less than sin."

I was listening to the Way of the Master podcast the other day and the host said that 44% of evangelical Christians believe that it's not a sin to look at pornography. Now I've never met one that has said this but I have talked to some on here that have said it. So maybe the statistic is true. It's a very disturbing stat to say the least. I'd love to know how they're justifying it.

"Lots of folks know that fornication is wrong. But they readily admit that they are just having fun and doing what they want to do."

Well I had fun having sex outside of marriage while I was doing it before I knew why it was wrong.

 

[Zaac]

"Nothing but utter, absolute agreement about looking at the other side because they do rival each other. The big difference is that you don't find too many heterosexuals who try and try to change God's Word to make their fornication into anything less than sin."

I was listening to the Way of the Master podcast the other day and the host said that 44% of evangelical Christians believe that it's not a sin to look at pornography. Now I've never met one that has said this but I have talked to some on here that have said it. So maybe the statistic is true. It's a very disturbing stat to say the least. I'd love to know how they're justifying it.



Well I had fun having sex outside of marriage while I was doing it before I knew why it was wrong.

Zecryphon, it's the state of the world we live in. Churches have turned from teaching certain things in God's Word because they don't want to offend anyone. The result is every man doing what is right in his own eyes.

I would venture to say that there are a lot of people in the church who simply aren't Christians just as you've got lots of folks in this forum who say they are but are not.

If you're gonna sin,mightas well call it what it is. It's the ones who try too make sin into non-sin that seem to display the wolves in sheeps clothing mentality.

 

[Westvleteren]

So, 'splain this to me:

The Bible was okay with slavery. As the centuries go by, humans become more enlightened and decide that the Bible's view on slavery was culture-specific and is no longer relevant.

So, why can't the same thing happen with the Bible's view on sexuality?

 

[Zaac]

So, 'splain this to me:

The Bible was okay with slavery. As the centuries go by, humans become more enlightened and decide that the Bible's view on slavery was culture-specific and is no longer relevant.

So, why can't the same thing happen with the Bible's view on sexuality?

People tend to be a little confused about the Bible and slavery. The same God who freed the Black Man is the same God who freed the Hebrew people from pharaoh.

 

[Zecryphon]

So, 'splain this to me:

The Bible was okay with slavery. As the centuries go by, humans become more enlightened and decide that the Bible's view on slavery was culture-specific and is no longer relevant.

So, why can't the same thing happen with the Bible's view on sexuality?

"The Bible was okay with slavery. As the centuries go by, humans become more enlightened and decide that the Bible's view on slavery was culture-specific and is no longer relevant."

Why do you think the Bible is okay with slavery? Also as the centuries went on and people became more enlightened, these enlightened people instituted a form of slavery that was worse than what was in place during the times of the Bible.

 

[Zecryphon]

People tend to be a little confused about the Bible and slavery. The same God who freed the Black Man is the same God who freed the Hebrew people from pharaoh.

Also, slavery in the Bible was a lot different than slavery was in America.

 

[CaDan]

This whole thread seems to be based on a false premise that anyone who argues against the OP's position is gay.

 

[Zaac]

This whole thread seems to be based on a false premise that anyone who argues against the OP's position is gay.

Your premise about the would be false premise is false.

 

[CaDan]

Your premise about the would be false premise is false.

I think you mean to say that my conclusion is false. It may very well be. However, given that one of the strains of argumentation is that people are trying to justify their sins and therefore are rewriting the Bible to do so, I think it is a pretty valid conclusion based upon a sound argument.