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To be perfectly frank, I am not at all comfortable discussing this subject with minors (people under 18). People can get the wrong impression, given the track record of the internet with stalkers etc. And wrong impressions can go both ways. So I am addressing other threads indirectly by posting here generically.

Jesus Christ did not look upon those who fell sexually as being beneath others or as if they were scum bags. People do this all the time (even when they try not to). Remember God loves the sinner while hating the sin. People (by our fallen nature) love the sin but hate the sinner.

That is why sex is so often encouraged, even forced upon folks, but when folks fall into sexual situations they are alienated. In the case of the children who lost their virginity, I seriously doubt their parents or even their pastor is taking this stance with them. But rather they are disappointed and saddened to the point of grief (over the loss of innocence and the difficult road ahead for the children who lost their virginity).

The alienation of friends at their own parents behest (look it up) is not so much directed at any one individual as it is a precaution to protect their children from the same downfall.

This is not to make anyone feel bad or badly about themselves. If you have lost your virginity you have lost something you are never going to get back. You would do well to seriously contemplate this loss. Learn from it. For if you do learn from it, you have at least turned one apsect of this hard lesson into a positive one.

Even if you have learned your lesson well, do not expect this will change things with your friends or your parents. This is one of the things that is so drastic about this.

Few people are properly warned about this before they fall into temptation... many might not listen even if they had been. But one thing is for certain, the devil has a mass advertisement agency working for him on the matter of sex.

Most people indulge in sex sin (that is, according to biblical standards). Men ogle everything that shows skin, women show skin to get men to ogle, movies, television, magazines, friends at school all say sex is just for fun or everybody's doing it...

Few Churches even bother teaching what the biblical criteria are for sexual behavior because it seems so archaic or so starkly in contrast with what takes place in the most common Christian homes (not to mention in public life). Of course, the divorce statistics in Christian homes meets and even surpasses that of non-Christians and has done so for over a generation now. The common denominator has been throwing out biblical standards for sex for generations now.

A chap made the comment that he thought one of the children who lost their virginity might have been forced to do so more than they realize. Given their tender age I would agree with him. Even if they thought they were a willing participant, some decisions a minor can only be coerced into making. We all have choices to make. But a child had less resolve and life experience / wisdom and can easily be swayed.

This is why children cannot buy homes or cars or cannot enlist in the Army.

Most adults have difficulty contemplating the ramifications of their commitments and decisions along these lines and all the more about sex. So, children have even less ability to make up their own mind. If the fiend (not friend but fiend) who took the virginity from them did not apply himself to coerce her then it almost certainly would not have occured to her. The same is true about peer pressure from friends.

It is appalling how children badger one another for simply being a virgin.

God created sex and sexual expression to be between one man and one woman for one lifetime in private and in the bounds of holy matrimony. Let not what God joined together be put asunder by any man or woman.

Sexual deviation from what God intended and instructed in his Word always results in trouble. First of all there could be a pregnancy. If a kid thinks it's hard to be a kid, it is nothing compared to being responsible for your own kid.

Sexually transmitted diseases are real and they are out there in the world and they are carried by people whom you would lease suspect would have them. Several of these STDs can most certainly infect you and scar you for life.

Suppose someday you meet Mr. Right, and you fall madly in love together. This is the one you want to spend forever with and raise your children with. BUT, he is a virgin and you no longer have your virginity to give him. It will matter. It will matter most to you. Or he may change his mind and not want to marry you at all because he waited and you did not.

Or what about another Mr. Right who may not care if you are a virgin or is not one himself. BUT, you have a cold sore that recurring shows up on private parts (herpes complex B) and there is no question that he will eventually be infected with the same virus (viral = incurable) by having sex with you.

Hollywood never tells how Will and Grace could end up with herpes or clamidia or syphilis or HIV AIDS.

This is not to scare the life out of anyone, but to harp on the facts so that repeat mistakes do not take place. God willing, none of you are pregnate or infected and that is a rare blessing. All is not lost. There is a special someone out there for you of God's chosing. Just be patient and wait for them.

Also remember, JESUS FORGIVES YOU!

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That confession is to him, by the way. He already knows everything, but this is coming clean with God. And what you did is not too much for him to forgive. It may certainly feel that way now. But God loves you and sent his Son to die so that your sins could be washed away by his blood.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

This was mostly written for the benefit of the young men and women who frequent this board, but it gives us all pause to think and repent of the deeds we do, the ogling the flaunting, the flirting and worse.

God can forgive us, but the consequences for these sins linger on. Look all around us how sex saturated the world has become because we in the Church relaxed the rules.
 

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Wow U really made me think
I am not a virgin and I am most surtainly regreting it
Oh and Im exspecting a baby in less then 13 weeks
I am not married either
All I can say is having sex was just about the stupidest thing I have ever done
Who Knows if I will ever find and be able to keep MR. RIGHT
=*(
 
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baby030306 said:
Wow U really made me think
I am not a virgin and I am most surtainly regreting it
Oh and Im exspecting a baby in less then 13 weeks
I am not married either
All I can say is having sex was just about the stupidest thing I have ever done
Who Knows if I will ever find and be able to keep MR. RIGHT
=*(

Again, this is not the unpardonable sin. As you already know, there are consequences (in this life) that will not go away... even with the confession of sin.

But all is not lost. You have a different set of circumstances to live with now. That is a good way to look at it.

Does the father know? You do have the right to expect him to support you in this time and to provide at least half of the expenses for bearing and raising the child. He also must be made aware of your plans to either keep or put the baby up for adoption.

I hope and pray you plan to bring the child into the world. In my way of thinking abortion is not an option. Adding the taking of an innocent life to the problems that already exist is never the solution.

So, have you decided if you are going to raise the baby, or put the baby up for adoption?

If you choose to put the baby up for adoption, I advize letting go completely (no ties). But be aware that the baby may some day come looking for their mother. For this reason to avoid any tragic surprises when you least expect or need them to crop up, do not be dishonest with any serious candidate for marriage. He may walk, but then again he may stay.

If he finds out the hard way later on, he will resent you and regret the years he invested in your relationship to that point. Doing the honest thing up front will not be easy. But it will be easier than his uncovering your dishonesty as well as the facts about a previous pregnancy.

You still have options. Especially today. It will be difficult, but the Spirit of Christ will be with you every step of the way! You are his child, after all.

God be with you.
 
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Don't feel like the Lone Sinner. We all have sins and indiscretions in our past (and in our future). This is what is so heinous about people who pile on anyone who succumbed to sexual temptation. The people piling on have sins and indiscretions too, and quite often sexual, but they either did not get caught or it was from a bygone time in their life.

This is why I believe the Lord wants us to confess or disclose our sins one to another. It removes the masquerade of our reputations, reveals how fallible we all are, and it helps us all to face our own sins (rather than run from them or bury them in double standards or lapses of memory). And most importantly it enables us to pray for and to help people such as yourself who are going through a most difficult time in your life.

The second thing I wanted to bring up is what your parents most likely are going through. Understand I am taking no one’s side but I am trying to help you (and those in your predicament) most of all. So, please bear with me here.

Some parents, by the way, react or respond to this kind of pregnancy in the best way possible. They just love their daughter and that’s all that matters. Most parents, probably do not react so well… especially initially.

I am not writing this to defend anyone but rather to help you understand why if your folks reacted poorly. The fact is, you and your folks need to be able to rely on each other now more than ever. And the sooner you can heal any rifts that may exist the better it will be for all of you. And if I explain why they reacted poorly (that is, IF they did) it may help you to heal any rift. I know I have a better time dealing with a difficult situation if I at least know the WHY. It helps me to move on, and to rebuild. Most parents are guilty of fairy tale parenting. The same way little girls have a fairy tale fantasy of a knight or prince in shining armor sweeping them off their feet to a fairy tale wedding and living happily ever after. Boys also have a fairy tale fantasy but that’s not important here. Parents see their daughters as that little girl in the Easter dress with the puffy sleeves and patent leather strap shoes holding a dolly or teddy near.

Life encroaches on that fantasy enough as it is. I believe the old standard tells it best:

"TURN AROUND"

Where are you goin' my little one, little one?
Where are you goin' my baby my own?
Turn around and you're two
Turn around and you're four
Turn around and you're a young girl
Going out of the door.

CHORUS

Turn around,
Turn around,
Turn around and you're a young girl
Going out of the door.
(Turn around and you're a young wife
With babes of you're own.)

It’s not all for selfish reasons that parents respond poorly to their daughter’s pregnancy / loss of virginity. Their reaction is a kind of grieving for the loss of what might have been in their daughter’s life as well as their life.

It’s not the same thing but is kind of like breaking up with a boyfriend who you thought was “the one.” The pain you feel is grief for the loss of what might have been.

If your folks did not react well, and I say IF because I do not know in your case how they reacted. Then perhaps you holding out the Olive branch first and seeking out their love for their little girl will begin the mending. You will need each other for the next several years (if only for moral support).

God bless.
 
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1st off I dont believe in abortion and even if I did its too late to get an abortion.
2nd Im not giving the baby up for adoption I love my baby and even if I wanted to my family wont let me or they say I will regret it for the rest of my life.
3rd My ex does know about her.
4rth there is too much going on with the family part to talk about on here if u wanna know then pm me.
 
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baby030306 said:
1st off I dont believe in abortion and even if I did its too late to get an abortion.

That's good.

2nd Im not giving the baby up for adoption I love my baby and even if I wanted to my family wont let me or they say I will regret it for the rest of my life.

Also good.

3rd My ex does know about her.

Ok. Remember what I said you are entitled to and that includes the next 18 years of his daughter's life (what she's entitled to).

4rth there is too much going on with the family part to talk about on here if u wanna know then pm me.

It's not a matter of my wanting to know or not. It is a matter of your needing to unload a heavy burden or not. There are a lot of brothers and sisters in Christ on these boards who care. Some here only read these posts. But they care and have already lifted you up in prayer.

If you are uncomfortable with discussing the details of what's going on with your family in this open forum, then I suggest you get together with a believing sister in pm.

Or "in the real world" (meaning life outside of cyberspace), face to face counseling with a or a pastor / counselor will do wonders.

Even if it means belaying your fears and posting it here for all to see, no one here will make fun of you or judge you. At least those of us who care will not. And I assure you nearly all of us have gone through what you are in some form or fashion or is related to someone who has.

I'll give you an example. I was the teen age victim of a male child molester who was a friend of the family from age 13-15. It took me years to be able to even say that to anyone. Years of pain and shame and fear I shouldered alone needlessly.

One of the reasons sexual struggles and circumstances around it has gotten so out of hand is because so much of it is done in secret (not to discourage the act in private, that's where it was meant to be done, but under the biblical conditions God prescribes in his Word).

Other than that, if anything that even hinted of sex were exposed by the light of day and scrutiny of others (including past victims who can warn potential victims) then there would be less incidents and less victims.

Think about it. There's a lot of sneaking around in this matter. A lot of trying to avoid attention etc.

I'm sorry. I got up on my soap box, didn't I?

Just the rantings of a brother in Christ who cares.
 
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I find it interesting of how little I hear about this, and more about the feelings of scrutiny towards those who arn't virgins in the Church today. It's sad what the church has become. People definitely need to overcome their prejudices, and take up God's love.

I've looked at porn before. I'm a sinner.

And though everyone may or may not have had sexual intimacy outside of marriage, everyone is a sinner. We all are on equal plain in the eyes of God. We all have been judged where we stand right now.

There needs to be some liberality in the church today. Liberal love. My eyes have been opened to my deep prejudice over the past year or two. It's easy to follow after orthodox thought when ignoring the very Word of God.
 
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aperson1234 said:
I find it interesting of how little I hear about this, and more about the feelings of scrutiny towards those who arn't virgins in the Church today. It's sad what the church has become. People definitely need to overcome their prejudices, and take up God's love.

I've looked at porn before. I'm a sinner.

And though everyone may or may not have had sexual intimacy outside of marriage, everyone is a sinner. We all are on equal plain in the eyes of God. We all have been judged where we stand right now.

There needs to be some liberality in the church today. Liberal love. My eyes have been opened to my deep prejudice over the past year or two. It's easy to follow after orthodox thought when ignoring the very Word of God.

Indeed.
 
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