Forget Jesus!!!! Let's call down the angels!!!!

Amadeo65 said:

The truth is that Bentley is a false prophet. IOW, we are shouting the truth from the rooftops, or, atleast, we're writing it very loudly on a internet forum.

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And that's the message of truth we're commissioned to deliver?

To heck with the gospel...let's stone all the false prophets we can find?

The truth of Christ revealed will overcome the garbage...not us digging around in the garbage with them.

And that's the message of truth we're commissioned to deliver?

To heck with the gospel...let's stone all the false prophets we can find?

The truth of Christ revealed will overcome the garbage...not us digging around in the garbage with them.

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The truth is Christ wouldn't want us to blind ourselves to the delusion of false prophets. Our men of God have been coming against deceivers since the very beginning. Christ Himself started that tradition! If it is so irrelevant to you, cease writing and speak elsewhere.

Shizzle said:

God could lead him to do that, how can one be sure he wouldnt? Im feelin that video reaaal deeply. Its vanity to be sure hes false and foolishness to be sure hes genuine, didnt God send a prophet to run naked? And another to eat food cooked over poop for a year?

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*sighs* and what's the point of this??:???? please.

ShammahBenJudah said:

So...which is the greater evil...glorifying "self" or tearing down others? Neither gives any glory to God.

If the message of truth is in us, would it not be better for us to shout it from the rooftops than to debate what untruths are in the closet?

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I'm gonna answer this question once and for all:

SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, cause I don't see anyone who says the type of stuff I quoted here doing that very thing! Self righteous tripe.

Amadeo65 said:

The truth is Christ wouldn't want us to blind ourselves to the delusion of false prophets. Our men of God have been coming against deceivers since the very beginning. Christ Himself started that tradition! If it is so irrelevant to you, cease writing and speak elsewhere.

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It isn't irrelevant at all. How many false prophets and teachers are out there? They're like wildfires popping up all over. In spite of the "watchman's" efforts, they multiply around us. Why?

If we spend the effort teaching how to discern the truth, it doesn't matter how many there are, we won't follow them. But if we spend all our time naming names, noone really learns to discern for themselves, they just know a handfull of "bad names". And that's beneficial how?

ImmersionX said:

I'm gonna answer this self righteous question once and for all:

SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS, cause I don't see anyone who says the type of stuff I quoted here doing that very thing! Self righteous tripe.

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Excuse me?

Sir I have given you Godly counsel.

Take it or not, but it is quite scriptural and given for the purpose of life to all who hear. Forgive me if you have taken offense, it wasn't intended.

ShammahBenJudah said:

Excuse me?

Sir I have given you Godly counsel.

Take it or not, but it is quite scriptural and given for the purpose of life to all who hear. Forgive me if you have taken offense, it wasn't intended.

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No no Ben...seriously I've never taken offense to anything you've said.
Thanks for your past counsel....
In fact I reread my response to your statment...I edited the "self righteous" part...cause it's honestly not due in my original response...my apologies. I believe we agree....and you offered a legit question.

Bah Humbug. I am not sure what your point is. So what that we are working against Bentley? It is our duty as Christians to point out a charlatan. That doesn't mean that's ALL we do or CAN do. Do you really want to know why there are so many false prophets in this world? Because of ignorance. To remain silent only encourages ignorance of these people and of their ungodly workings.

According to TB on one of his video’s he had said that “It’s not all about Jesus!”

However, I came across this video on http://battle4truth.wordpress.com/ and after viewing it, then how much more evidence do believers of our Lord Jesus Christ need to know and see that TB isn’t teaching or preaching the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, but another new age gospel. TB has apparently claimed that God told him that people already know about Jesus, and now all he has to do is to get people to believe in the angel/angels, and to believe in “the supernatural”.

You will notice on the video, that he said that the woman “is the one”, and then he bammed her, shunting her backwards a number of times, and then he interrogated her---did our Lord Jesus Christ do that when HE healed? Then after his questioning to no avail, his game was over, when she said that she didn’t feel the Holy Spirit of nothing, and he just walked away from her like a stunned mullet.

On the second point, there is “NOWHERE” in His Word that says that we must elevate angels, or anywhere where the apostles tried to get people to “believe in the angel/angels” at the expense of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ. It’s ALL about our Lord Jesus Christ, pre and post conversion. Once you elevate angels above our Lord Jesus Christ, that angel becomes an idol because our Lord Jesus Christ doesn’t take first place. The other spirit that is being brought to bear, is the Kunanlini.

“Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom all the body, nourished and knit together by joints and ligaments, grows with the increase that is from God.” (Col. 2:18-19)

Amadeo65 said:

Bah Humbug. I am not sure what your point is. So what that we are working against Bentley? It is our duty as Christians to point out a charlatan. That doesn't mean that's ALL we do or CAN do. Do you really want to know why there are so many false prophets in this world? Because of ignorance. To remain silent only encourages ignorance of these people and of their ungodly workings.

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Who's point?

MY point is simple: TB needs love and TRUTH!

Nuff said.

It never ceases to amaze me that people who have admitted they have never watched a REAL TB meeting (Except in you tube clips or clips from other sites (Which may or may not have an agenda of their own) ) claim so much authority over him. If you had watched a SINGLE meeting you would know that it is ALL about Christ. In EVERY meeting Christ is held up as Lord and Saviour. He is also given all the glory for healings. Angels do not do the healings but they do help to minister it! When Todd sees an angel it is a sign that God wants to do healing or a miracle in the persons life who the angel points out! In other words the angel is there to ANNOUNCE Gods healing. At NO point does Todd ever say that Angels are responsible for healing. GOD is the only one who can heal. Judge a prophet / healer / evangelist by his fruit.

Does he bring glory to God? YES
Does he lead people to the cross? YES hundreds
IS Jesus lifted high? YES

“Teacher,” said John, “we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.”

“Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us.

Mark 9:38-40 NIV

God Bless

Simon

GodsGlory said:

Wow, what a liar you are. I never said the message is "forget Jesus".

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With all due respect your original post was

Forget Jesus!!!! Let's call down the angels!!!!

Easy to see where the inference came from.

Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire Ministries are angel conscious because they have first sought Jesus. All the praise and all the glory from what I can see goes to the Lord Jesus Christ. They do not lift their hands to another, but in the presence of Jesus and His glory angels are present.

irenemcg said:

Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire Ministries are angel conscious because they have first sought Jesus. All the praise and all the glory from what I can see goes to the Lord Jesus Christ. They do not lift their hands to another, but in the presence of Jesus and His glory angels are present.

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Yes many do raise their hand to Jesus, but which Jesus?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Originally Posted by GodsGlory

Wow, what a liar you are. I never said the message is "forget Jesus".
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Well there's a friendly post guaranteed to garner respect.

Elijah2 said:

Yes many do raise their hand to Jesus, but which Jesus?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

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The Lord Jesus Christ, He who died for our sins, the Son of the Living God, He who was with the Father in creation, He who is the Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end- the eternal one and He sits at the Father's right hand today.His blood was shed to redeem us from sin and by His grace and mercy we have been saved. He is our Great High Priest making intercession for us with the Father. He is the baptizer with the Holy Spirit. He gave us the right to become children of God.

Because of God's Grace, we are "blessed with all spiritual blessings in the heavenly places in Christ!" Why not begin to accept what God has made us to be in Christ?

Rom 6:11-14. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.
13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.

We are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, for sin no longer has dominion over us, we should flee from temptations to sin, giving ourselves over to our Lord. When we do sin we should repent. WE ARE NOW ALIVE IN CHRIST.



Col 3:1-4 1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4.When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory

We are raised with Christ, we are to seek the things above for our Lord is seated at the Father’s right hand and we have been raised with Him. We have died to our old man and have been hidden with Christ in God. At the time of the Second Coming we the bride, will appear with Him in glory. As Christians we have experienced a radical change of spiritual environment and this should affect our whole mode of life. Having been raised with Christ, we now move in a new sphere.
Normal human ambition sees things in terms of this world. But we have been raised with Christ and should see things from an eternal perspective, and so should want our lives on earth to be reflect the pattern of life seen in the glorified Christ...to “seek those things which are above” is to aim at emulating the characteristics of the Christ in glory’

It is Jesus we seek and to live for Him alone..

probinson said:

Is this the new stance, because most everyone else on your side of this argument seems to think that Emma exists, and is demonic.

So, does Emma not exist at all, or does Emma exist and is demonic?

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No clue. But seriously doubts God would name an angel "Emma" (a rather dull name given to earth females that enjoyed some brief popularity in the 1940s) and we all know scripture states the dead know nothing and do not return, moreover that angels bes another species, NOT "dead souls in heaven" despite popular cliches. So it looks pretty doubtful for "Emma" being real. Of course if people want to believe in unreal things, demons can and do at times exploit that (or even instigate it) but it appears most of what bes going on here bes simple mind tricks. Dumbo's magick feather stuff. Because most Christians already bes deluded into thinking faith and relationship with Christ bes nothing but a Dumbo's magic feather trip anyway, they bes likely to fall for it.

All this IMO.

GodsGlory said:

Wow, what a liar you are. I never said the message is "forget Jesus".

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Really? Because the title of your thread contains the words "Forget Jesus", and to drive home that point, you used 4, count them, 4 exclamation points...

GodsGlory said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjl5wKso9eU

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That scared me!

*Reminder to self not to open any more videos.