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There is no such thing as being gay. There is no scientific proof and it is still a choice as to whether someone acts on their desires. The Christian faith once delivered has a testimony to people who used to be homosexual offenders.They wouldn't hire a gay person, merely for being gay?
Then you find reality and the gospel of Jesus Christ disgusting… your choice.I find that absolutely disgusting.
One the contrary, do not covet is unknown by anyone else unless professed, so it doesn’t harm anyone else, and it is the same with sexual immorality as described in 1 Cor 6, sexual immorality is primarily a sin against ones own body. The position you are describing is humanism, but homosexuality is paganism.Not necessarily, although I think intent is an important part of morality.
the how can you have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord?Sorry, I don't buy the whole Biblical definition of marriage.
No, God did not support it,God originally supported incestuous marriage and polygamy. Marriage has always been a business arrangement, usually arranged by family members. In the Old Testament, women were nothing more than property.
[/color]## No, the people who set the Sabbath above human suffering, w/ whom Jesus did not agree. I'm trying to remember where Jesus reviles either tax-collectors or pagans; there are woes a-plenty for the Pharisees & scribes - but "tax collectors and pagans" ?
I do OTOH remember that He speaks of harlots & tax-collectors entering the Kingdom of Heaven - maybe you had that in mind ?
## Not exactly, but I'll grant the point. We have to ask: why ? That He used the word to refer to them, does not mean He was expressing His own opinion of them.
I read Him as speaking in that way so as to challenge the woman to even greater confidence in His ability to help her: not as expressing what He considered "outsiders" to be.
It is, I think, a "ploy" to coax her to be even bolder in asking Him. It is astonishing enough that she asked Him at all; & He builds the fence a bit higher, not to repel her, but to help her need even more confidence - on the same principle as in Luke 18: the disciples are to pray - to nag & pester God, in fact - all the more for not being answered at once. Confidence becames stronger for being exercised - for the woman in that episode, & for the disciples. And so - for us also.
Your reading, as I read it, makes Him too much a Pharisee, too stand-offish to treat them as as anything but what decent respectable God-fearing people would not touch with a twenty-foot pole.
There were people like that, & Matthew 23 tells us how much he respected them.
He, his wife, & others in Luke may have been anawim.
A different bunch from the Pharisees & scribes.
## The scribes & Pharisees ? Is it likely they thought they "used religion badly" ? Yet Jesus rebuked them more than once for their piety.
Why would the Pharisees & scribes think of themselves as unrepentant ?
They paid tithes, they avoided becoming unclean, they loved the Temple, they had no dealings with Samaritans, they avoided women with "[an] issue of blood" (gonorrhoea ?), they were zealous for the God of Israel (which is one reason they opposed Jesus), they were exceedingly familiar w/ the Law, they gave alms they sanctified the Sabbath by fencing it about with prohibitions on activities that might be seen as work - they were godly, pious, God-fearing, righteous people. Therefore, they rejected Jesus.
They did not repent: why should such righteous people need to ?
Their righteousness was their problem.
The people who heard Jesus gladly were the people "outside the Law", the "sinners" that is; them, & people equally far removed from the Pharisees in their holiness.
As for those words of Jesus, they are no objection: to use the words, is not the same as expressing one's own position. If Jesus had used the words to people He addressed in order to describe them, your objection would be fatal to my remark. But where does Jesus do so ?
## It depends what you mean by "liberalism". W/o a definition, your question can't be answered.
## What about it ? If that's a link, it doesn't work.
The Bible is an exceptionally dangerous gift, because there is no corruption like the corruption of what is best; & the Bible is a very wonderful & precious gift.
Precisely because it is so great a blessing, it is capable of being used in an extremely harmful way, & becoming a curse.
They wouldn't hire a gay person, merely for being gay? Even if he happened to be celibate or married to a woman? I find that absolutely disgusting.
No it hasn't. There has just been a push from some at the Pentagon to do it, since we're the only NATO country who don't allow gays to openly serve, and no other country's military has collapsed, because of it.
I may be wrong, but I thought it was two different schools in Mississippi. Ironically, it occurred in the most obese state in the country. Lots of hypocrisy there, that's for sure....
http://www.faqs.org/childhood/Gr-Im/Homosexuality-and-Sexual-Orientation.htmlHomosexuality and Sexual Orientation - Children and Homosexuality - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society
Though children gain a gender identity sometime between one and two years old, they do not yet have a sense of gender constancy. A little boy may believe, for example, that at some later point in life he will be a girl.
Even though the overwhelming majority of children soon realize this is an error, many keep wishing they were of the opposite sex and try to act like they are, and this seems to be a strong disposing factor for later transsexualism and homosexuality.
Not necessarily, although I think intent is an important part of morality. One can't keep desire out of their head. Of course, you don't follow all of the commandments, so I don't know why you expect me to abide by them.
It doesn't exist, and never has. God originally supported incestuous marriage and polygamy.
Marriage has always been a business arrangement, usually arranged by family members. In the Old Testament, women were nothing more than property.
The whole modern day version of "Christian marriage" that you cling to, has not been around very long.
Romantic love and ceremony were never requirements for marriage.
The first "wedding" of sorts, wasn't until the 9th Century. The early church fathers in general opposed marriage, and considered it misery and completely inferior to celibacy.
Cyprian, the Bishop of Carthage, said the command to multiply was no longer necessary, therefore invalidating marriage.
Martin Luther called marriage a "worldly thing" and gave it over to the state to handle, since it was not something the church should be involved in. It wasn't until John Calvin that marriage required both state license, and be performed in a church. Catholics then added witnesses being required.
I don't know where you got your concept of marriage from, but it's neither Biblical or historical.
For the 1st 1500 years of Christianity, marriage was never viewed how you view it.
Some did.The Fathers didn't oppose marriage.
Tertullian and Gregory of Nyssa claimed that marriage was rooted in misery. They saw it as bondage, whose only cure was to be celibate. Tertullian claimed marriage "consists essentially in fornication".They considered celibacy a higher call and was considered more honorable, but marriage was never condemned or considered misery and invalid.
The rite of marriage was originally taken from the Roman Pagan rite. As I said, the first Christian wedding wasn't until the 9th Century, and the current model didn't become commonplace until after the Reformation.Celibacy was considered a higher call but they knew that many would not be able to handle it. Read Ambrose's letter concerning virgins. Marriage always remained a sacrament, even before the Council of Trent. lastly the first recorded rite of marriage wasn't until the 9th century. Your forgetting all the marriages that existed before then that weren't recorded. if it was such a small thing as you say, St. Augustine would not have praised the institution as much and wrote about it as much as he did, nor Ambrose. The Church still had a rite for marriage long before the 9th century..
They wouldn't hire a gay person, merely for being gay? Even if he happened to be celibate or married to a woman? I find that absolutely disgusting.
Interesting, I thought Obama had actually come through on one of his promises. Guess not.No it hasn't. There has just been a push from some at the Pentagon to do it, since we're the only NATO country who don't allow gays to openly serve, and no other country's military has collapsed, because of it.
all research points to it being one school, one girl. First she was banned from wearing a tuxedo to prom, then they canceled the prom altogether because she wanted to bring a girl as her date. It got uglier from there, but it appears to be an isolated incident.I may be wrong, but I thought it was two different schools in Mississippi. Ironically, it occurred in the most obese state in the country. Lots of hypocrisy there, that's for sure....
Homosexuality and Sexual Orientation - Children and Homosexuality - Encyclopedia of Children and Childhood in History and Society
Though children gain a gender identity sometime between one and two years old, they do not yet have a sense of gender constancy. A little boy may believe, for example, that at some later point in life he will be a girl. Even though the overwhelming majority of children soon realize this is an error, many keep wishing they were of the opposite sex and try to act like they are, and this seems to be a strong disposing factor for later transsexualism and homosexuality.
God expects you to, not me. God never said "something has to hurt someone before it's considered a sin." The bible talks about how even our thoughts can be sinful. How does that reconcile with what your view of sin is?Not necessarily, although I think intent is an important part of morality. One can't keep desire out of their head. Of course, you don't follow all of the commandments, so I don't know why you expect me to abide by them.
The bible speaks about those things but God never EVER condones them. Do you really mix up "reporting" with "consenting"?Sorry, I don't buy the whole Biblical definition of marriage. It doesn't exist, and never has. God originally supported incestuous marriage and polygamy. Marriage has always been a business arrangement, usually arranged by family members. In the Old Testament, women were nothing more than property.
I don't know where you got your concept of marriage from, but it's neither Biblical or historical. For the 1st 1500 years of Christianity, marriage was never viewed how you view it.[/quote]The whole modern day version of "Christian marriage" that you cling to, has not been around very long. Romantic love and ceremony were never requirements for marriage. The first "wedding" of sorts, wasn't until the 9th Century. The early church fathers in general opposed marriage, and considered it misery and completely inferior to celibacy. Cyprian, the Bishop of Carthage, said the command to multiply was no longer necessary, therefore invalidating marriage. Martin Luther called marriage a "worldly thing" and gave it over to the state to handle, since it was not something the church should be involved in. It wasn't until John Calvin that marriage required both state license, and be performed in a church. Catholics then added witnesses being required.
And I hope they are in a state that makes this illegal so they can sue the employer for every dime he's worth.Oh, I just figured most people understood we're talking about active and open homosexuality. If we found out someone was in a homosexual relationship, he'd be fired. I don't think it's bad for a church to want people who espouse what they believe working for them.
I've already provided verses on this issue. God handed multiple wives to David, and offered him even more if he wanted them. That's condoning. The Bible also shows that God's only disapproval with Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines was that some of them were foreign. God had no problem with the quantity. As usual, you are applying your 21st century views onto the Bible, by assuming since you don't like polygamy, that God disapproved. Women were property, and men could have as many wives as they wanted. This was never viewed as an issue unless they were foreign wives.The bible speaks about those things but God never EVER condones them. Do you really mix up "reporting" with "consenting"?
Marriage changes as society changes. Always has always will.But it sure is convenient to not buy into what the bible says about marriage, isn't it? Without any rules you think you need to follow, anything goes for marriage.
Marriage predates the Bible, and you have no evidence that God ever ordained anything since creation. Especially since "creation" was over 13 billion years ago.I cling to marriage being between a man and a woman, as sanctioned by God. THAT has been around since creation.
I'm glad I have absolutely no involvement with organized religion and these churches.I should also point out to those criticizing the Lutherans for their approval of same-sex marriage and homosexual pastors that the ELCA does not speak for all Lutherans. The ELCA does not even speak for Lutheranism these days. Confessional Lutheran Churches still teach that homosexuality is wrong and sinful. Confessional Lutheran Churches do not ordain homosexuals. ELCA is not a Confessional Lutheran Church and does not hold to the teachings of Luther much these days. Please remember that when condemning the Lutheran churches.
Ah but so is a belief in many gods. However the Bible describes homosexuality as what pagans do, and what people who turn away from God do. I assume people who turn away from God can be considered pagan. This means that the value judgement Christians should make upon it is that it is pagan. You are suggesting otherwise, but that being opposite to what the Bible is surely what paganism might claim.Homosexuality is often found in ancient paganism - but so is belief in One God.
How could Adam and Eve have been pagans?Abraham was a pagan - but he is also a major Biblical "goodie". Before Christ, all the world was pagan, Jews only excepted.
ah yes that similarity, But circumcision was required and same sex relations were condemned.## There is a difference, yes - circumcision was commanded by God in Gen.17, whereas no passage commands gay sex.
On the contrary he was preaching Christs fulfilment, the gospel. I cant see nay contradiction.And St. Paul trashed the command - he altered what God had revealed every bit as thoroughly as gays are said to be trying to do.
and Roman as well. Thats Christianity for you. You may not like it but you cant change it or it will no longer be Christianity.Yet wicked old Paul is a central source for Protestant understanding of the NT.
Nonsense, the RC is taking a more prominent stand against homosexuality than the protestant church.## But it did not confine Him. But it seems to confine a lot of Christians - especially Evangelical Protestants of a conservative bent of mind. Far more needs saying about the issue, but there it is for now.
He is recording Jesus affirmation of God creation purpose and Gods word. Matthew 19, Mark 10, Ephesians 5.Is the writer prescribing - or describing ?
Except that it obviously is, from what the Bible says, from the logic of the Bible countenancing one of the only two possibilities, and condemning the other, and the anatomy of the human species.The two-persons-of-different-sexes model of marriage is not the only one.
except that God didn’t ever allow same sex unions.I've already provided verses on this issue. God handed multiple wives to David, and offered him even more if he wanted them. That's condoning.
No so. Firstly that’s not Christianity, Christ’s command to His disciples was to teach other disciples to obey all He taught, that is the opposite of your philosophy of changing. Secondly homosexuality isn’t a change, its is the paganism the Bible refers to. All that has changed is the nature of the deception, a new concept of monogamous loving faithful homosexuality, its still condemned as its man with man and woman with woman.Marriage changes as society changes. Always has always will.
God created everything, if you think it was by change then that’s an atheist and pagan view again.Marriage predates the Bible, and you have no evidence that God ever ordained anything since creation. Especially since "creation" was over 13 billion years ago.
And I hope they are in a state that makes this illegal so they can sue the employer for every dime he's worth.
I've already provided verses on this issue. God handed multiple wives to David, and offered him even more if he wanted them. That's condoning. The Bible also shows that God's only disapproval with Solomon's 700 wives and 300 concubines was that some of them were foreign. God had no problem with the quantity. As usual, you are applying your 21st century views onto the Bible, by assuming since you don't like polygamy, that God disapproved. Women were property, and men could have as many wives as they wanted. This was never viewed as an issue unless they were foreign wives.
Marriage changes as society changes. Always has always will.
Marriage predates the Bible, and you have no evidence that God ever ordained anything since creation. Especially since "creation" was over 13 billion years ago.
I'm glad I have absolutely no involvement with organized religion and these churches.
Funny, I wasn't aware that they only hired sinless people. I thought everyone was a sinner, but you selectively refuse to hire gays, despite you having no idea what their "sins" might be.Because while you yell and holler for tolerance from us, you don't tolerate our own beliefs. You would rather force a religious institution to hire someone who actively and openly sins.
Nice.
You're no better than what you try to paint us as.
No, even some of the early church fathers said, if our interpretation of the Bible doesn't match the evidence, it's our interpretation that's wrong.Trust me, I'm not the one applying 21st century views to the bible. I'm not the one continuously saying that because society changes, the bible needs to change too.
That would be YOUR camp.
You must have a different meaning of condone. What do you call God handing David multiple wives, and saying he would give him many more?Again, God never condoned these marriages. You've proven nothing.
Prove it.The secular view of marriage has changed. God's intentions for marriage has not.
It's a fact that the universe is over 13 billion years old. Genesis is a myth.No, creation wasn't 13 billion years ago. There you go again, cherry picking. What parts of the bible do you actually believe? Do you even bother with it?
Yes, Adam and Eve are metaphorical, not real. Science long ago proved Genesis to not be literal. But you cherry pick too, since you ignore most of the 613 Mitzvot, and only use one of them to condemn gay people due to your dislike of them.I imagine you think the story of Adam and Eve is just allegorical fairytale, so I'm in no mood to converse about how God created Adam and Eve with you. It's hard to debate with someone who cherry picks because the minute they don't have anything, they merely say "well, I don't believe what the bible says about that".
You preach whatever you think is wrong, regardless if evidence proves you wrong. You are completely unwilling to admit you could be wrong about anything.Of course you are...in our church you can't have the laissez faire attitude about God that you have now. In our church, you are accountable for your actions and your sins and we don't sugar coat the truth. We preach law and gospel, because without one the other is useless. You preach "whatever feels right in your relationship with God" whereas we preach "here is what God says".
I've justified a life of sin, where? What sins have I committed that I'm justifying?I'm sure that anyone trying to justify a life of sin would rather join your church.
‘gays’? What do you man buy ‘gays’ as there is no concept in the Bible or for that matter any scientific proof of people ‘being’ gay. As to sinning, yes all sin and believers fall short, but non-believers don’t fall short as they have no benchmark to fall short by. When you say everyone is a sinner, in what way can that distinguish Christ in the believer form everyone else?I thought everyone was a sinner, but you selectively refuse to hire gays, despite you having no idea what their "sins" might be.
Well the Bible records Jesus Christ requiring disciples to obey all He taught. Besides the evidence is the species has two sexes for sexual reproduction through sexual intercourse.No, even some of the early church fathers said, if our interpretation of the Bible doesn't match the evidence, it's our interpretation that's wrong.
How does that lend any support to homosexuality? That’s still man and woman. Besides, Jesus explained what the real purpose was, faithful man woman marriage.You must have a different meaning of condone. What do you call God handing David multiple wives, and saying he would give him many more?
???? A Christian can’t prove the Bible wrong.Prove it.
Prove there was no ‘c’ decay.It's a fact that the universe is over 13 billion years old. Genesis is a myth.
But they are male and female and according to Jesus Christ God made them male and female for the reason they shall be united.Yes, Adam and Eve are metaphorical, not real.
You mean who you think of as gay people feel condemned by the word of God, in fact they can do what they like, no-one here is condemning them.them to condemn gay people due to your dislike of them.
Funny, I wasn't aware that they only hired sinless people. I thought everyone was a sinner, but you selectively refuse to hire gays, despite you having no idea what their "sins" might be.
Jesus didn't fire the apostles for sinning. He didn't refuse to associate with prostitutes.
No, even some of the early church fathers said, if our interpretation of the Bible doesn't match the evidence, it's our interpretation that's wrong.
You must have a different meaning of condone. What do you call God handing David multiple wives, and saying he would give him many more?
Prove it.
It's a fact that the universe is over 13 billion years old. Genesis is a myth.
Yes, Adam and Eve are metaphorical, not real. Science long ago proved Genesis to not be literal. But you cherry pick too, since you ignore most of the 613 Mitzvot, and only use one of them to condemn gay people due to your dislike of them.
You preach whatever you think is wrong, regardless if evidence proves you wrong. You are completely unwilling to admit you could be wrong about anything.
I've justified a life of sin, where? What sins have I committed that I'm justifying?
Why is there a need for liberally minded people to have God or The Whole of Christianity to accept Homosexuality?
Why not just be Gay, and shrug off what the bible or church says?
Why do we have to believe what you believe?
For those of you in the Church, do you not understand that even if you can silence what the bible says of homosexuality specifically. that Homosexuality is still considered a sin because at it's core it's sex outside the confines of marriage. Without Book Chapter and verse as to the permissibility of sexual activity outside the confines of a sanctified marriage, special permission for gay sex, or an example of a sanctified same sex marriage. a doctrine that permits homosexuality can not represent the will of God. As a member of the church why do you represent a doctrine that does not represent God? To Whom do you serve if not God? Do you not see a problem with a system of belief that doesn't represent the one you claim to represent? Is a righteousness based in popular morality what you believe to be what dictates the will of God?
The responses I have seen and answered from people who represent themselves as members of the church are, to say the least are the most disheartening.
Especially after their efforts have been brought into the light of scripture.
## Does DADT arise for any other issues ?Unfortunately, too many people do that, whether on sexual orientation grounds, or race grounds, or what-have-you. There are many people who try and take situations beyond what the core is calling for. I hate when anyone gets hired because they happen to be either gay, black, hispanic, a female, or... well, insert anything else in there. Job qualifications shouldn't include that stuff, and legally it isn't supposed to, but... unfortunately, many people fear being labeled as discriminatory so they over-non-discriminate.
Still, I'm not sure how this means "they" are failing miserably. Some will "casually mention" they are gay, but most of the people I know who are gay aren't open about it, and won't bring it up, even if it could conceivably "help" them at that moment.
But then, maybe that's just a local area culture thing.
If I remember right, it sort of was repealed. I think it was "recommended" that it be repealed, but there's a further study the Pentagon is going to do to figure out how and when to implement it... so it's heading towards being repealed, but AFAIK, there's enough time allotted in the study to allow for a new president and congress to come in and "recommend" the repeal of the repeal... or something.
And how do you determine who is unrepentant and who isn't? Do you hire obese people? I find it hard to believe you haven't hired a fornicator, divorcer, or adulterer at some point. How would you even know what sins anyone has committed?He told them to go and sin no more, though.
We don't hire people who are living unrepentant sinful lifestyles. That goes for more than just homosexuality, too.
Um, no - I actually examine the original language, culture, and context - and I'm willing to accept that my modern day understanding of certain verses may not be correct. In the face of indisputable evidence that indicates something is not factual, for example Genesis, I have no logical or rational choice but to dismiss the literal view. God gave me a brain, and I intend on using it. It's not my fault if it indicates to me some 4000 year old book translated into faulty English is not perfect.See, it's so easy for you to formulate an argument around something you don't even believe in. I'll admit, I can't overcome that kind of illogic. All you have to do is say "I don't believe that part of the bible" and voila...no accountability from you.
Yes, you do condemn homosexuals. You already stated you fire them under the assumption they are in a same-sex relationship.Of course, if you actually read what I post instead of projecting your feelings about my faith onto me, you would see that I do not condemn homosexuals. But you're too busy condemning my beliefs.
No one could show you that your church teaching even might be wrong. You are so unwilling to consider other views, you dismiss them immediately.No one has shown that what my church teaches is wrong. I've compared what my church teaches to what is in the bible and I've found the two to be in line with each other.
You keep claiming I'm committing a sin, and yet you haven't told me which one. Which sin have I committed that I'm justifying?Oh yeah, right, another flaw in debating you. You aren't justifying a sinful life because you don't believe that the sin you commit is a sin.
And what makes you think that your views, won't result in God saying that? How do you know God won't hold you accountable for the judgement you place on others? Since you guys continue to judge gays according to the Law, you will be judged by that same law.The point was, those who do not want to be accountable for their sins would clamor to join your church of "do what you want because God loves you and don't worry about the bible, it's just a myth". If I was a weak Christian struggling with my sin, I'd want to join it so I wouldn't have to struggle anymore. Gosh, how wonderful that would be...at least right up to the point where God would say to me "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoer".
## He did - but what are we to conclude from that ?Hairy Tic,
Jesus also said to people, do what the Pharisees teach but dont do what they do.
## But you've not defined or sketched or outlined what "liberalism" is - that is, what it is supposed to be. The word seems to have become a "boo-word" for whatever the speaker dislikes:Perhaps if the Pharisees had known the spirit of the OT law and prophets they would have recognised Jesus.
But onemorequestion is correct, this is typical liberalism, to freely and accurately discuss one aspect and a passage of scripture that poses no threat to liberalism whilst avoiding the clear passages excluding and condemning of homosexuality; which is a humanistic approach.
And how do you determine who is unrepentant and who isn't? Do you hire obese people? I find it hard to believe you haven't hired a fornicator, divorcer, or adulterer at some point. How would you even know what sins anyone has committed?
I still find it highly hypocritical that you would fire a gay person for being gay when 1) You have no clue whether they have sinned 2) What goes on in another's bedroom is none of your business and 3) You have no authority to tell other people that their convictions from God are not genuine.
We've have plenty of gay Christians on this board who have spent 10, 20 40 years praying to God over and over asking about this issue, and he has not once, told them they are abominations, or are unrepentant sinners. Why on Earth should I ever accept your opinion over theirs?
This is the biggest problem I have with fundamentalists. I would have a tiny bit more respect for your beliefs if you understood the concept of interpretation, and that yours is not automatically the correct one. Just because, you read a 21st Century English Bible, and automatically assume that it condemns modern day homosexuality, despite all the evidence to the contrary, does not make you right.
You are completely unwilling to ever admit you could be wrong, because the fundamentalist mind set is "The English Bible says it, that settles it". You have no respect for context, language, or culture.
Um, no - I actually examine the original language, culture, and context - and I'm willing to accept that my modern day understanding of certain verses may not be correct. In the face of indisputable evidence that indicates something is not factual, for example Genesis, I have no logical or rational choice but to dismiss the literal view. God gave me a brain, and I intend on using it. It's not my fault if it indicates to me some 4000 year old book translated into faulty English is not perfect.
Augustine held this position, and if it applied in his day, it most certainly applies to the 21st Century, where our understanding of the universe is exponentially better.It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation.More Christians need to heed Augustine's advice, and this applies to all of scripture, not just Genesis.
De Genesi ad literam 1:1920, Chapt. 19
Yes, you do condemn homosexuals. You already stated you fire them under the assumption they are in a same-sex relationship.
Condemn:
to express an unfavorable or adverse judgment on; indicate strong disapproval of; censure.
No one could show you that your church teaching even might be wrong. You are so unwilling to consider other views, you dismiss them immediately.
You keep claiming I'm committing a sin, and yet you haven't told me which one. Which sin have I committed that I'm justifying?
You are gay.
Did you just accuse him of being a sinful BECAUSE he's gay?
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