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For Your Information - Hunt Exposes Calvinism

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Dave Hunt is hardly a credible source in my experience. Having interacted with him some personally and having corresponded with him I find he is more interested in stirring controversy than resolving differences.

In the 80s he spoke to our singles group. I specifically asked him not to deal with his blast of Dallas Seminary in his most recent book (The Seduction of Christianity). He did it anyway at length.

He later asked if our church would host his seminar, I declined and reminded him that he had not honored his prior agreement.

He asked for a public debate over the issues and we declined and offered to discuss any differences privately. He insisted on an audience. We declined.

What love is this indeed, Dave.
 
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Sounds like you and Dave have a personal thing going on. I have to wonder why you are hanging out your laundry for all to see. I don't think what you are doing is in good taste. I hope that your public criticism of Dave does not land you in a lawsuit. Perhaps you need to be more careful in what you are doing.

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drstevej

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Interesting that Dave blasts Christians in his publications having not discussed his concerns with them first and you critique me when I have discussed my concerns with Dave privately first.

Is it that you like his view and will condone his behavior?

As to any lawsuit, the correspondence is filed away.

I do not think your thread is in good taste, so we have a standoff in opinion. Feel free to express your opinions, I'll do the same.
 
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I read approximately 2/3 of Debating Calvinism. I was asked to read it by a gentleman that attended a church where I was pastoring. This gentleman was decidedly anti-Calvinist, but not rude about it. He could not understand my complaints about Mr. Hunt’s ad homonym attacks and false characterization of Calvinist beliefs – false characterizations of Calvinist beliefs which he would then refute. It is extremely painful to try to endure attacks upon a fully inadequate caricature - while the attacker repeatedly claims victory. Eventually my friend forgave me of my commitment to read the entire book.

What I found difficult to understand was why my friend could not see Mr. Hunt’s offensive tone and transparent argumentation - that is, until my friend came to see the Calvinist view as the accurate representation of Scriptural truth. Interestingly enough, he then saw Mr. Hunt’s approach for what it is. Suddenly he too could see the caricature, the ad homonym attacks, etc. It was amazing.

Some time ago I found it largely useless to read the works of “anti’s.” That is, reading the writing of someone that is merely attacking a position is rarely of any real value. Rarely do they accurately understand the position that they are attacking. It is far more reliable to read the works of people that actually believe the position that they are discussing. Mr. Hunt is an anti. Clearly, it is strongly advisable to read the works of those holding opposing views while comparing each to Scripture.

The anti’s make their living (or just find their fun) by telling their fellow anti’s what their itching ears want to hear - that they are right. But sadly, they contribute nothing of value to the discussion.
 
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Sounds to me as though the truth about Mr. Hunt is making someone uncomfortable, seeing that they have endorsed him as a "godly man". Perhaps that endorsement was a bit hasty. Or is it that they feel Calvinists should be held to an even higher standard than non-Calvinists? One could infer that from the exchange here.

Bottom line, Mr. Hunt appears to have some problems with the truth, and in being truthful, not to mention an apparent problem with integrity, and abiding by one's word. If I were such a one to believe that Mr. Hunt is such an impeccable witness, I would reconsider the unqualified endorsement of him, at the very least....
 
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Reps !
 
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I don't know what that means! I am so out of touch.


Means he clicked on the reputation icon
and gave reputation points, just like I did your post. Note your total is higher now!
 
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Oh, like "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God."? Or "Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."? Or " And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers."?

Those kind of verses?
 
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The joy of being a Calvinist is the joy of seeing that Scripture fits together, makes sense and that we're secure in Christ. Being a Calvinist may not make me popular, but it makes me happy.
 
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The joy of being a Calvinist is the joy of seeing that Scripture fits together, makes sense and that we're secure in Christ. Being a Calvinist may not make me popular, but it makes me happy.

Christianity isn't about being popular.

Remember the words of Christ: "They will hate you because of me."
 
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Benefactor, why are you still posting videos of this man? His scholarship is terrible and his half-truths and misrepresentations/misunderstandings of Calvinism has been exposed from various different sources. Do you refuse to watch those? Are you one of those people that simply will not read/watch/listen to anything the other side has to say?

It's kind of sad how many people are out there that do that. Just look at the Southern Baptist John 3:16 conference; none of them did any exegesis during that whole thing. In fact, they didn't even define "atonement" or "propitiation"! They just spoke and threw out emotional "proof-texts" to prove their case.
 
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