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Good morning everyone. If you are looking for answers to the erring teaching of RT / Calvinism them be sure to watch the U-tube clips by Dr. Hunt.

Have a blessed day

By the way disagreeing with brothers and sisters in Christ is not cause for hate and bitterness so if you see things as Dr. Hunt does let me encourage you to love and pray for our brothers and sisters who differ from us.

We must agree to disagree and of course I disagree with them and see their view as false, this does not translated in to accusing them of not being saved or Godly people.

I hope everyone has a blessed and wonderful day in the Lord.
 
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There is a book detailing the debate between James White, and Dave Hunt. A review:

I am currently reading the book Debating Calvinism by Dave Hunt and James White. This book takes the reader through all points of reformed theology in a debate format between the two authors. James White does a superb job of Biblically defending the doctrines of grace both through exposition and exegesis while his counterpart, Dave Hunt mainly resorts to ad hominem attacks combined with a steady stream of poorly constructed arguments built on bad eisegesis. A slow and thorough reading of this book reveals to the reader that the arguments for reformed theology are built strictly on scripture and logic while the arguments for arminianism (semi-pelagianism) are built on pure emotion. I've enjoyed reading it so far, and have been impressed with james Whites' debating skills and knowledge of the Word.
Michael McGrath



Pretty much says it all, right there.....
 
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An open letter to Dave hunt (from James White)

Exerpt:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Elitism?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I would like to start with your assertion, even made in personal letters to me, that to criticize your lack of understanding of the Reformed position, and your lack of scholarly training in history, the biblical languages, exegesis, etc., is to somehow engage in “elitism.” You have directly called me an elitist, as you will recall. It seems you believe that seminary education, training in Greek and Hebrew, study of theology, etc., is not necessary for the task of engaging such topics as soteriology, etc. And yet, I found it fascinating how often you yourself make mention of the original languages, for example. You refer to Greek terms, even though, as you have often admitted, you cannot read Greek. You eschew professional training in history, yet, you include chapters of historical argumentation. This raises a problem, of course. You have compiled page after page of simply false argumentation as a result. Your handling of Greek is filled with errors of basic grammar and meaning. You have mishandled even the few lexical sources you have referenced. You ignore the impact of grammar and syntax upon translation. Your historical sections, especially when dealing with Augustine and Calvin, are marked by such a level of unfair use of sources (including your failure to cite relevant historical facts that would either contradict, or substantially ameliorate, the polemic argument you are attempting to press forward) that they parallel, sadly, the rhetoric of a Jimmy Swaggart, who likewise railed against Calvin in the most unfair and biased manner. Yet, when I have pointed out similar errors in the past, you have resorted to the same assertion of “elitism.” One wonders how to respond to you. Would you listen to a person who is not trained in Greek before one who is? I am almost convinced that you would.
Some of the other things I have encountered in your book truly make me wonder, Dave. I simply could not believe that the source you used to come up with the identification of Augustine as “the first real Roman Catholic” was none other than Peter Ruckman himself. Peter Ruckman, Dave? Gail Riplinger’s sole challenger for the title of “Worst of the KJV Onlyites”? What do you think Peter Ruckman would think of your assertion that the KJV’s rendering of Acts 13:48 was determined by the “corrupt” Latin Vulgate? Indeed, how did the staunch defender of Gail Riplinger, Joe Chambers, endorse a book that would dismiss a KJV rendering? An amazing thing to see! I would love to ask Chambers about this.
Another item that leaves one’s jaw on the table is the fact that The Berean Call makes the tape of our radio discussion available, and yet, when you make reference to it in your book, you misrepresent it! When you reference our discussion of Matthew 23:37 in your book (p. 363), you somehow forget to mention that you had mis-cited the text in your newsletter, which was what led to the question in the first place! Don’t you think people may just listen to the tape and realize this, resulting in questions about the accuracy of your representations, Dave? You likewise said “White countered that Christ was not weeping over Jerusalem....” No, I pointed out that you were conflating Luke and Matthew, and that in the passage at hand, Matthew 23:37, Jesus did not weep. These are little issues, but they are issues that speak to the accuracy of the presentation being made.
As you admitted in your book, you have received numerous words of counsel against the publication of this book. Tom DelNoce has informed you that your work, in its final form, continues to contain clear misrepresentations of the topic at hand. He is still convinced you have not taken the first steps to truly seek to understand fairly the position you are critiquing. And you will recall that I likewise warned you. It seems Rob Zins likewise tried to help you, and I can think of a number of others. You pressed on despite the best efforts of many who have spent years studying the issue that you seemingly mastered in less than a year. Now the work is out, and the issue is beyond your personal welfare. The issue is now a matter of speaking the truth, and refuting error.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Go to the link, and read the whole letter.[/FONT]
 
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I Peter 1:9. obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

Your Faith, God's Grace = the Gift of Salvation


Once again, who is Peter writing to ? Context, otherwise you can make scripture say anything you want.

Context.


1Pe 1:1-2 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.
 
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And this is the real kicker, you completely ignore verse 3



1Pe 1:3-4 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,
 
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Well, he apparently thinks that Dave Hunt is a scholar, too. Some people believe what they want, no matter if its true or not. the problem arises when people take a superficial reading, with 21st Century understanding of words, and try to retroactively apply such superficial understandings to a centuries-old translation. They refuse to dig beneath the surface, because they are afraid of what they will find.
 
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And the reason for the book is that, if I am not mistaken, Dave didn't want to debate James in person, in public.

If you read James White's letter to Dave hunt, you can see why. Hunt is guilty of the same tactics as we see on this forum, with misrepresentation, straw men, eisegetic readings of scripture, and all manner of unchristian attitudes against Calvinists.
 
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& let's not forget, taking quotations out of context


But far worse is the way that he uses sources to “prove” blatant historical errors! He cites a source (p. 19) that claims that, among others, Richard Baxter, John Newton, and John Bunyan opposed Calvinism! Anyone who has read those men knows that they all were strong proponents of God’s sovereign election. (Baxter held to a universal atonement, but he also strongly held to human depravity and God’s sovereign election.) On the same page, he pulls a quote from Spurgeon’s Autobiography to prove that Spurgeon was against limited atonement. But in the original context, Spurgeon was arguing in favor of limited atonement (Autobiography of C. H. Spurgeon [Banner of Truth], 1:171-172)! In fact, Spurgeon states (1:172) that the teaching that Christ died for everyone is “a thousand times more repulsive than any of those consequences which are said to be associated with the Calvinistic and Christian doctrine of special and particular redemption.” Later (p. 122), Hunt cites “a British scholar who thoroughly knew Spurgeon’s writings and sermons” again to the effect that Spurgeon definitely rejected limited atonement and that he ascribed freedom of will to men. Yet in his bibliography (p. 428), Hunt lists Spurgeon’s sermon, “Free Will a Slave,” where Spurgeon refutes free will. Iain Murray (The Forgotten Spurgeon [Banner of Truth], pp. 81 ff.) cites numerous references to show that Spurgeon not only affirmed “limited atonement”; he also argued that those who deny it weaken and undermine the entire doctrine of the substitutionary atonement. In his autobiography (1:168), Spurgeon called Arminianism (which is Dave Hunt’s view, even though Hunt denies it, since he holds to eternal security) heresy and states plainly, “Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else.” Either Hunt is a very sloppy scholar, or he is deliberately trying to deceive his readers into thinking that Spurgeon is on his side when he very well knows that he is not.
On page 102, Hunt quotes Spurgeon again and claims that he “could not accept the teaching that regeneration came before faith in Christ through the gospel.” Obviously, he is quoting Spurgeon out of context for his own ends (as he frequently does), without any understanding of Spurgeon’s theology. Murray (ibid., pp. 90 ff.), thoroughly documents how Spurgeon believed that faith and repentance are impossible before God regenerates the sinner. For example, Murray (p. 94) cites Spurgeon as saying that repentance and faith are “the first apparent result of regeneration.” And, “Evangelical repentance never can exist in an unrenewed soul.” Murray cites many more examples. Spurgeon believed “that the work of regeneration, conversion, sanctification and faith, is not an act of man’s free will and power, but of the mighty, efficacious and irresistible grace of God” (p. 104).
On page 100 is another example of how Hunt uses quotations out of context to make his opponent look bad and himself look good. He quotes R. C. Sproul to sound as if Sproul is fully endorsing the view “that God is not all that loving toward” sinners. But in the preceding and following context of Sproul’s book, Sproul is raising an objection that a critic might ask, conceding the critic’s objection as true for the sake of argument, and then raising a further question to show that the critic’s question is misguided. Hunt omits the context and thus makes Sproul appear to be saying something he isn’t stating at all! This is incredibly bad scholarship and argumentation on Hunt’s part.
On page 99, Hunt reveals his ignorance of theology when he says that J. I. Packer contradicts his fellow Calvinists and even himself in declaring that regeneration follows faith and justification. Hunt then quotes a sentence from Packer that speaks of justification by faith, not regeneration! Those are distinct theological terms with distinct meanings, as anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of theology would know! But never mind, Hunt discredits Packer to the unsuspecting reader, which is all that matters to Hunt.


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You underestimate him.

Let's just say I find his attempts to discredit Calvinism to be irrelevant. He knows he can't do it, but he does keep trying.
 
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CONTEXT

1Pe 1:1-9

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you,

who by God's power are being guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,

so that the tested genuineness of your faith--more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire--may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Though you have not seen him, you love him. Though you do not now see him, you believe in him and rejoice with joy that is inexpressible and filled with glory,

obtaining the outcome of your faith, the salvation of your souls.




CONTEXT !
 
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