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We enjoy making a big deal about Christmas here,Are you married? Do you celebrate Christmas and Easter? Awesome how you embrace your inner pagan.
Christmas wasn't about religion at its inception, either. It was a method to win hearts & minds - asking pagans to give up one of their favourite celebrations wouldn't work. Far better to take it over and pretend it's a celebration of Jesus birth, even though he wasn't born at that time of year. Adding in additional pagan accoutrements (Christmas tree, mistletoe & holly etc) are great ways to allow the masses to continue their pagan practices while hoodwinking them into a belief that these are Christian celebrations.We enjoy making a big deal about Christmas here,
but it really has nothing to do with religion.
Seasonal celebrations are what you make of them.Christmas wasn't about religion at its inception, either. It was a method to win hearts & minds - asking pagans to give up one of their favourite celebrations wouldn't work. Far better to take it over and pretend it's a celebration of Jesus birth, even though he wasn't born at that time of year. Adding in additional pagan accoutrements (Christmas tree, mistletoe & holly etc) are great ways to allow the masses to continue their pagan practices while hoodwinking them into a belief that these are Christian celebrations.
Same here.We enjoy making a big deal about Christmas here,
It's all about Jesus.Estrid said:... but it really has nothing to do with religion.
As we're fond of saying: JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON.Christmas wasn't about religion at its inception, either. It was a method to win hearts & minds - asking pagans to give up one of their favourite celebrations wouldn't work. Far better to take it over and pretend it's a celebration of Jesus birth, even though he wasn't born at that time of year. Adding in additional pagan accoutrements (Christmas tree, mistletoe & holly etc) are great ways to allow the masses to continue their pagan practices while hoodwinking them into a belief that these are Christian celebrations.
I didn't know it snowed in HK.In HK its like this- [* Jingle Bells *]
Jesus is not the reason for the season, but "Jesus is the excuse for hijacking a pagan celebration" isn't such an agreeable soundbite, is it?As we're fond of saying: JESUS IS THE REASON FOR THE SEASON.
Saturnalia was hijacked, was it?Jesus is not the reason for the season, but "Jesus is the excuse for hijacking a pagan celebration" isn't such an agreeable soundbite, is it?
Saturnalia was hijacked, was it?
Maybe they gave it up willingly?
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Who understands evolution? No one, as far as I can tell.No-one who understands evolution has it mean that.
Big deal. That doesn't make any difference to me or lessen the spiritual significance of the occassion.Jesus is not the reason for the season, but "Jesus is the excuse for hijacking a pagan celebration"
I didn't say otherwise. My point was really more about honesty - I have no problem if one religion wants to take over another religion's celebrations, but I do have a problem if you deny that's what happened.Big deal. That doesn't make any difference to me or lessen the spiritual significance of the occassion.
The Catholic Church teaches that atheism is the last great heresy of mankind. The "religion" of atheism is evolution.
Who understands evolution? No one, as far as I can tell.
Ask scientists to describe the evolutionary process that produced a eukaryote from a prokaryote, or an amphibian from a fish, or a reptile from an amphibian, or a bird from a reptile, or a whale from a land animal ... and they are clueless - they can't even describe the first step.
In fact, evolutionary scientists can't describe the evolutionary process that produced even one macro-evolutionary transition evident in the fossil record.
When did I "claim to know oh so much more than all the biologists in the world combined"?So where is your groundbreaking research that would shatter the world of biology then, since you claim to know oh so much more than all the biologists in the world combined?
"Evolution is the greatest engine of atheism ever invented."Atheism and atheists existed before there was any theory of evolution. In the first speech of 'Tis Pity She's A harlot (published in 1633), by John Ford, the Friar speaks of 'wits that presumed on wit too much ... striving how to prove there was no God' and 'fill[ing] the world with devilish atheism'. In The Pilgrim's Progress (1678-85), Christian and Hopeful meet an atheist, who denies that there is any such place as Mount Zion. Both these works were published long before either Lamarck or Charles Darwin were born.
Hogwash. If they can explain "micro-evolution" they have explained "macro-evolution". Creationists seem to think there is some magical difference between these things, hence they invented the terms. But there is only evolution. Lots of small changes over a period of time will look like a big change. It's amazing how creationists struggle with such a simple concept.When did I "claim to know oh so much more than all the biologists in the world combined"?
It's a fact that no evolutionary scientist can describe how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded - they can't even describe how any of those transitions to got to first base.
I know that because I've asked them (on other sites) to provide any such description ... and they came up with ZILCH.
Scientists know a lot about micro-evolution, but when it comes to macro-evolution, they're clueless.
If they're completely clueless about how macro-evolution proceeds, they can't claim to know how evolution works, can they? That's a pretty simple and reasonable logical conclusion.
It's speciation followed by further change... it's trivial to understand.When did I "claim to know oh so much more than all the biologists in the world combined"?
It's a fact that no evolutionary scientist can describe how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded - they can't even describe how any of those transitions to got to first base.
I know that because I've asked them (on other sites) to provide any such description ... and they came up with ZILCH.
Scientists know a lot about micro-evolution, but when it comes to macro-evolution, they're clueless.
If they're completely clueless about how macro-evolution proceeds, they can't claim to know how evolution works, can they? That's a pretty simple and reasonable logical conclusion.
When did I "claim to know oh so much more than all the biologists in the world combined"?
It's a fact that no evolutionary scientist can describe how any macro-evolutionary transition in the fossil record proceeded - they can't even describe how any of those transitions to got to first base.
I know that because I've asked them (on other sites) to provide any such description ... and they came up with ZILCH.
Scientists know a lot about micro-evolution, but when it comes to macro-evolution, they're clueless.
If they're completely clueless about how macro-evolution proceeds, they can't claim to know how evolution works, can they? That's a pretty simple and reasonable logical conclusion.
Scientists know a lot about micro-evolution, but when it comes to macro-evolution, they're clueless.
If they're completely clueless about how macro-evolution proceeds, they can't claim to know how evolution works, can they? That's a pretty simple and reasonable logical conclusion.
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