For The Remission of Sins

[TheLionOfGod]

Acts, Chapter 2, 38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

New Christians you must

REPENT

BE BAPTIZED

In the Name of Jesus Christ

 

[TheLionOfGod]

For the remission of your sins

and to receive

the gift of the

Holy Ghost.

 

[LilLamb219]

Repentance and baptism are both God's work in us

 

[TheLionOfGod]

For the remission of your sins

and to receive

the gift of the

Holy Ghost.

Isaiah, Chapter 1

15: And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16: Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17: Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18: Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19: If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

 

[TheLionOfGod]

Repentance and baptism are both God's work in us

Luke, Chapter 13, 3: I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

[TheLionOfGod]

Isaiah, Chapter 45, 7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Everything is the work of the LORD.

According to this prophet.

According to this if you repent it is the work of the LORD.

If you do not repent it is the work of the LORD.

 

[LilLamb219]

Acts 5:31, 11:18 and 2 Tim. 2:25

Like I said, repentance is a gift from God...His work in us.

 

[TheLionOfGod]

If you do not repent God did not give you that gift.

NOW WE KNOW BY THIS EVERYTHING IS PREDESTINED.

 

[TheLionOfGod]

If you are doing any evil then God is not working through you.

That means like she said you did not get the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Which is to repent from all your sins.

amen

amen.

 

[Bible2]

TheLionOfGod said in post #1:

BE BAPTIZED

In the Name of Jesus Christ

Amen, for in order to be saved ultimately, believers must get water-immersion (burial) baptized into Jesus' death for our sins (Mk. 16:16, 1 Pet. 3:21, Rom. 6:3-11, Col. 2:12, Gal. 3:27, Acts 2:38, 22:16). If people believe with all their heart that Jesus Christ is the human/divine Son of God (Acts 8:37), they can get baptized anywhere there's water (Acts 8:36) into which they can be fully-immersed (buried) (Rom. 6:3-11, Col. 2:12). They need to make sure to be baptized in the name of God the Father; & of the Son, Jesus Christ; & of the Holy Spirit (Mt. 28:19, Acts 2:38). Believers can get water-immersion baptized at, e.g., a Baptist church. Besides getting water baptized, believers can also get Holy Spirit baptized (Acts 11:15-16, 10:44-46). They usually have to ask to receive the Holy Spirit (Lk. 11:13b) baptism, for it isn't usually automatically given to them the moment they become believers; that's why Paul asked some believers: "Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" (Acts 19:2).

Believers usually receive Holy Spirit baptism through prayer accompanied by the laying on of hands, subsequent to water baptism (Acts 8:15-17, 19:5-6). Holy Spirit baptism won't result in speaking in tongues for everyone (1 Cor. 12:30), but for almost everyone, as tongues are 1 of the Spirit's lesser gifts (1 Cor. 12:8-11,28, 14:5). Many believers haven't yet experienced Holy Spirit baptism simply because they haven't yet asked for it, under the principle of "ye have not, because ye ask not" (Jas. 4:2b). Many believers haven't yet asked for it because they've come under the influence of mistaken teachings which say it's no longer in effect. Believers can get hands laid on them to receive Holy Spirit baptism at, e.g., a Pentecostal-type or charismatic-type congregation.

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post #5:

Luke, Chapter 13, 3: I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Amen. Heb. 10:26-29 similarly shows that even saved people, people who've actually been sanctified by Jesus' sacrificial blood (Heb. 10:29), which sanctification requires faith (Acts 26:18b, cf. Rom. 3:25-26), can, after they get saved, wrongly employ their free will to commit sin without repentance (Heb. 10:26). By doing this, these saved people are unwittingly trampling on Jesus & his sacrificial blood & doing despite unto the Spirit of grace (Heb. 10:29), turning the grace of God into lasciviousness (Jude 1:4), so that their ultimate fate will be worse than if they'd never been saved at all (2 Pet. 2:20-22). Even though Jesus' sacrificial blood is sufficient to forgive all sins (1 Jn. 2:2), it actually forgives only the sins of believers that are past (Rom. 3:25-26), as in sins which have been repented from & confessed to God (1 Jn. 1:9,7). Jesus' sacrificial blood doesn't remit unrepentant sin (Heb. 10:26-29). So a saved person can in the end lose his salvation if he wrongly employs his free will to commit unrepentant sin (Heb. 10:26-29, 1 Cor. 9:27, Lk. 12:45-46).

Some Christians think Heb. 10:26-29 isn't for Christians. But the immediate context of Heb. 10:26-29 is Heb. 10:25, which is addressing "we" saved people. Heb. 10:25-29 is the same idea as Heb. 3:13: Saved people need to gather together & exhort each other so that no saved person will fall into any unrepentant sin. For any unrepentant sin will ultimately result in the loss of salvation (Heb. 10:26-29, 1 Cor. 9:27, Lk. 12:45-46, Mt. 7:22-23, Gal. 5:19-21, 2 Pet. 2:20-22, Rom. 8:13, 1 Jn. 5:16, Jas. 5:19-20).

 

[Bible2]

TheLionOfGod said in post #6:

According to this if you repent it is the work of the LORD.

If you do not repent it is the work of the LORD.

Amen, for just as the ability to believe in Jesus & the gospel comes only to the elect (Acts 13:48b) wholly by God's grace as a miraculous gift from God (Eph. 2:8, Jn. 6:65, 1 Cor. 3:5b, Rom. 12:3b, Heb. 12:2) as the elect read (or hear) God's Word the Bible (Rom. 10:17, Acts 13:48, 26:22-23), so the ability to repent comes only as a miraculous gift from God (2 Tim. 2:25, Acts 11:18). Satan blinds the minds of unbelievers so that on their own they can't repent & acknowledge the truth of God's Word (2 Cor. 4:4, 2 Tim. 2:25-26).

Everyone even on his own is wholly corrupt (Rom. 3:9-12), & so it's impossible for people on their own to ever believe in Jesus & the gospel & be initially saved (1 Cor. 15:1-4, Jn. 20:31, 1 Jn. 5:13) through their own will (Rom. 9:16, Jn. 1:13, 6:65) or their own intellect (1 Cor. 1:18-2:16). Unsaved people can't possibly understand the gospel (1 Cor. 2:14, 1:18), for only initially saved people, who've received the miraculous gift of some measure of God's own Spirit, can understand it (1 Cor. 2:11-16). The nonelect can't possibly ever believe in Jesus & the gospel & be initially saved, even when they're shown the truth (Jn. 8:42-47, 10:26, Mt. 13:38-42).

The elect are those individuals who were chosen (elected) & predestinated by God before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4-11, 2 Thes. 2:13), before they were born (Rom. 9:11-24), to become initially saved at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b). This initial salvation is possible only because of Jesus' sacrifice (Rom. 3:25-26), which was also foreordained by God before the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8, 1 Pet. 1:19-20).

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God doesn't love everyone: he hates the nonelect (Rom. 9:11-22). During their lifetime, God hardens the nonelect in their sinfulness instead of showing them his mercy (Rom. 9:18), for he created them to be vessels of his wrath (Rom. 9:20-22, Prov. 16:4). They were of old ordained to condemnation (Jude 1:4). They were appointed to disobedience (1 Pet. 2:8, Acts 2:23). But God never forces them or anyone else to commit sin; he never even tempts anyone to commit sin (Jas. 1:13-15). All people will be justly held accountable on judgment day for their deeds (Rom. 2:6-8), for neither election nor nonelection takes away the free will of people. God created nonelect people to be vessels of his wrath instead of vessels of his mercy so he might eternally make known his wrath & power (Rom. 9:21-22, Prov. 16:4, Rev. 14:10-11). And God created elect people to be vessels of his mercy so he might eternally make known his mercy, glory, & wisdom (Rom. 9:23, Eph. 3:10, 1:8,11).

God wants these aspects of his nature to be made known both to humans & angels (Eph. 3:10), neither of which group yet knows experientially the full extent of God's qualities & abilities (1 Cor. 2:9, 1 Pet. 1:12b). E.g., the full extent of God's wrath won't be known to humans & angels until Satan & his fallen angels & all of unsaved humanity are cast into the eternal punishment of the lake of fire & brimstone (Mt. 25:41,46, Rev. 20:10,15, 14:10-11), & saved humans & holy angels go forth from the city of New Jerusalem on the new earth to witness the punishment of the unsaved in the lake of fire (Isa. 66:24), the eternal hell (Mk. 9:45-46), & realize by seeing it not only the extent of God's wrath, but by it (by way of contrast) the extent of God's mercy toward them (Lam. 3:22-23). Just as "up" can't be eternally known for what it is without the eternal co-existence of "down", so God's mercy can't be eternally known for what it is without the eternal co-existence of his wrath.

 

[Harry3142]

In every denomination where I have seen them insist that we must be baptized by immersion or our faith is of no avail, I have also seen them use this ploy as 'bait'. The person accepts baptism by immersion, thinking that he has fulfilled God's requirement for salvation, only to be presented with a never-ending list of do's and don't's that also must be followed or else he will lose his salvation. I call it 'salvation on a stick' because it is always just out of reach.

Interestingly, these do's and don'ts have always been rules which gave the leadership of that denomination, or the special-interest organization he was really 'fronting' for, absolute power over every aspect of that person's life. They must bring more people into that particular church; they must accept the attitude that the heirarchy of that church has toward not only those who refuse to 'bow the knee' to their leadership, but in many cases toward entire groups of people; they must see all their possessions as belonging to that church (not to God, but to the church itself); and they must see their chances of obtaining eternal life as totally dependent not on faith in Jesus Christ's sacrifice, but instead on their absolute obedience to the commands of the church heirarchy.

In one case that I witnessed the leadership of the church insisted that its members must see Jews as worthy of our hatred due to their being 'Christkillers'; the pope must be seen as the antichrist, and all RC's seen as hellbound; all other denominations must be seen as aberrations rather than true followers of Christ; women must be seen as totally subordinate to men, and so only to speak when men gave them permission; and africans must be seen as the descendants of Ham (Genesis 9:24-27), and thereby cursed of God.

The bottom line is that whenever you hear of a church's insisting that something must be done in addition to having faith in the efficacy of Christ's sacrifice in order to obtain salvation, what you are hearing is the 'bait' they are deploying in order to 'hook' new victims (and I consider those they go after as victims due to their true intention of making them virtual slaves to the leadership of that church). Some use baptism by immersion as bait, some use speaking in tongues as bait, some use the necessity of our seeing Saturday instead of Sunday as the true Sabbath as bait. But in each and every case those who accept this 'bait' as necessary in order to either obtain or to keep salvation find to their chagrin that the demands have only begun.

What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the "stumbling stone." As it is written:

"See, I lay in Zion a stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." (Romans 9:30-33,NIV)

BTW: the word 'baptizo', from which we get the word 'baptism', was in all probability never spoken by either Jesus Christ or his apostles. It is a greek word, and they as Jews living in Galilee and Judea would have spoken aramaic when conversing with each other, rather than greek. So in all likelihood it was first used by those who were translating the word 'mikvah', meaning to wash or bathe, into greek.

 

[Bible2]

Some people feel baptism can't be required for salvation, for baptism's a work, & salvation isn't based on works, but on faith alone (Eph. 2:8-9). But baptism is a kind of circumcision (Col. 2:11-13, Philip, 3:3, Rom. 2:29). Just as Abraham, who's a model for Christians, was initially saved by faith alone, prior to his circumcision (Rom. 4), so we're initially saved by faith alone (Eph. 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Rom. 4:2-5), prior to our baptism (Acts 8:36-38, Jn. 20:31). But just as Abraham was ultimately saved by his works (Jas. 2:21-24), so we'll be ultimately saved by our works (Rom. 2:6-8, Jas. 2:24, Mt. 7:21, 25:26,30, Philip. 2:12b, 3:11-14, 2 Cor. 5:9, Rev. 22:14, Heb. 5:9, 6:10-12, 2 Pet. 1:10-11, Jn. 15:2a), which must include getting water-immersion (burial) baptized (Mk. 16:16, 1 Pet. 3:21, Rom. 6:3-11, Col. 2:12, Gal. 3:27, Acts 2:38, 22:16).

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Believers shouldn't be identified or identify themselves after any man-made denomination (1 Cor. 1:12-13, 3:4), but should simply be "Christians" (Acts 11:26b, 1 Pet. 4:16).

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Believers must never try to replace God himself with church leaders as their source of truth, for church leaders are fallible (e.g. Gal. 2:11-14, Lk. 22:34). It's only by sticking close to God's own infallible Word the Bible (2 Tim. 3:16, Acts 17:11b, Jn. 17:17) that believers can be sure not to be led astray by any church leaders who might be teaching false doctrines which contradict God's Word (2 Tim. 4:2-4, 1 Tim. 4:1, John 8:31b, Mk. 8:35-38).

This could become especially important in the future. For the beast which comes up out of the earth (Rev. 13:11-16) represents the individual man who'll become the Antichrist's (the AC's) False Prophet (FP) (Rev. 19:20, 16:13). The FP could currently be a (secretly apostate) cardinal in the RCC, preparing himself to become the next pope. If he becomes the next pope, he could begin his tenure by making a great push for peace & unity between Christianity & Islam. He could say something like: "Why do we fight each other? Are we not all the spiritual children of Abraham and of his God, the one God? Can't we lay aside our foolish, man-made differences of theology, which have done us no good at all, but only brought us hatred and violence, and unite into one religion of Abraham, one religion of peace, based on love for the one God and love for our fellow man? What's more important than this?"

He could be so skillful in elucidating what the moderate Muslims could call "the true, peaceful, loving nature of Islam", that he could be hailed by them worldwide as (in their words) "A Great Imam, come to rescue our beloved Islam from the bad reputation falsely given to it by the terrorists". In this way, the next pope could come to hold high positions of power in 2 religions at the same time, which could be symbolized by the 2 horns of the FP lamb (Rev. 13:11). This would be similar to how the 7 horns of the true-Jesus lamb in Rev. 5:6 could represent the true Jesus holding 7 positions of power at the same time (cf. Jesus wearing many crowns at the same time in Rev. 19:12). The FP could even say that he is Jesus.

Once the FP by his amazing miracles has brought the world under his spell (Rev. 13:13-18, 19:20), including many Muslims & Christians who may not care much for scriptural dogma but could go wild over his signs & wonders, he could begin to (in his words) "restore to the world the real message which was spoken by me (Jesus) at my first coming, and by the great prophet Mohammed, but which message became corrupted by power-hungry men when they copied and changed the early manuscripts of the Bible and the Koran". He could then gradually initiate the world into the AC's Gnostic Luciferianism (1 Jn. 4:3, Rev. 13:4-6), a religion which could have existed since ancient times in some "mystery" cults, & which still exists today in the highest degree of initiation of a worldwide secret society. The FP could present his miraculously calling fire down from heaven (Rev.13:13) as purported proof that Lucifer & the AC are the true God (Rev. 13:4,8). This would be a counterfeit of how the true prophet Elijah miraculously called fire down from heaven to prove that YHWH is the true God (1 Kin. 18:37-39).

 

[Bible2]

The Antichrist (the AC), during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Rev. 13:5-18), won't support the RCC (in its past & current form), insofar as the RCC affirms that Jesus is the Christ, whereas the AC will deny that Jesus is the Christ (1 Jn. 2:22). And the RCC affirms that Jesus is the Son of God, whereas the AC will deny that Jesus is the Son of God (1 Jn. 2:22b). And the RCC affirms that Christ is in the flesh, whereas the AC (like the Gnostics) will deny that Christ is in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7). And the RCC affirms that the God of the Bible (YHWH) is the true God, whereas the AC (like the Gnostics) will utterly revile YHWH (Rev. 13:6, Dan. 11:36). And the RCC affirms that the only man who's God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whereas the AC will say he (the AC) is God (2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36). And the RCC affirms that Lucifer (Satan) is evil, whereas the AC will bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon) (Rev. 13:4, 12:9). So the AC's religion during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign won't be the RCC's in its past & current form, but a blend of Luciferianism & Gnosticism.

Because the AC & his FP (possibly masquerading as Jesus) will deny Jesus is the Christ (1 Jn. 2:22) & will deny Christ's in the flesh (1 Jn. 4:3), & because they'll bring the world into the worship of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan) instead (Rev. 13:4, 12:9), they could lie & say that (the non-mortal flesh) Lucifer is the Christ, that the new name of Christ (Rev. 3:12c) is "Lucifer Christ". For just as "Lucifer" means "the morning star", so Christ is the morning star (Rev. 22:16b). Also, Christ identified himself with the serpent (Jn. 3:14), & Lucifer is the serpent (Rev. 12:9). Also, Christ said "Ye are gods" (Jn. 10:34), & it was the serpent who said "ye shall be as gods" (Gen. 3:5).

The truth is Lucifer fell from his office of morning star (Isa. 14:12) & became Satan (cf. Lk. 10:18); Jesus the Christ has taken over the office of morning star (Rev. 22:16). And Jesus Christ identified himself with only the brass serpent on the pole in Num. 21:8-9 (Jn. 3:14), which typified Jesus Christ's crucifixion for our sins (Jn. 19:16, Mt. 26:28). And in Jn. 10:34, Jesus Christ (Jn. 20:31) was quoting YHWH in Ps. 82:6-7, which shows even though humans have knowledge of good & evil as gods do (Gen. 3:22), they'll still die like humans (Ps. 82:7), contradicting the serpent's lie (Gen. 3:4). Nonetheless, the AC could falsely say Lucifer is the Christ & the true & beneficent God of mankind, & the FP is the miracle-working prophet Jesus (Jn. 3:2, Acts 3:22-24), returned to point the world to the true Christ/God. The AC could falsely say that he (the AC) is the human/divine Son of Lucifer, who must be worshipped as God along with Lucifer (Rev. 13:4,8). This would be similar to how Biblical Christians now rightly worship the human/divine Jesus Christ (Jn. 1:1,14) as God (the Son) along with God the Father (Jn. 20:28, Heb. 1:8).

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Rom. 9:30-33 means by the works of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (the OCML) no one will be justified (Acts 13:39). Rom. 9:30-33 isn't contradicting the fact that initially saved people must have both faith & continued works of faith (1 Thes. 1:3, Gal. 5:6b, Titus 3:8) (not works of the letter of the OCML) if they're to obtain ultimate salvation (Rom. 2:6-8, Jas. 2:24, Mt. 7:21, 25:26,30, Philip. 2:12b, 3:11-14, 2 Cor. 5:9, Rev. 22:14, Heb. 5:9, 6:10-12, 2 Pet. 1:10-11, Jn. 15:2a). For believers must actually continue to do righteous deeds if they're to continue to be righteous (1 Jn. 3:7, Jas. 2:24,26).

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All the NT scriptures were written in Greek. Only the NT's original Greek is infallible (as opposed to any of its translations), so if there's any question re: what God's Word the NT means, we must go to its original Greek to make sure we're understanding it correctly. We mustn't reject the sound-meaning of any of the NT's original Greek to follow any man-made ideas, for that's a recipe for disaster (2 Tim. 4:3-4).